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[i] Welcome, Dr. [Name]. I am pleased that you took the time for us today for this interview.
[r] Thank you for the invitation and I am also looking forward to doing an interview with you.
[i] That’s a beautiful one Opportunity and this is the first interview I’m doing in German. Welcome, sir Dr. [Name], here in Bochum. We are currently sitting here on Westenfelder Straße, in the rooms of “Humanitarian Solidarity Middle East e.V.”. Today, February 20, 2019, we will interview you and in German language very admirable. My name is [Name]. I am the board member of the Middle East Humanitarian Solidarity Association. I would like to welcome you here and maybe you can introduce yourself.
[r] First of all, thank you very much, madam [Name], for the invitation. I would like to come with you give you an interview. My name is [Name]. I am Oral surgeon by work, by profession. I am married and have two sons. And I have been here in Germany for three years and six months. Yes, I think I learned German well.
[i] Yes, you can tell. Very good German. So that’s admirable, that we are doing this interview in German after such a short time. Although they are yours is the national language?
[r] Arabic.
[i] Are you from?
[r] I come from Syria. Yes, I am also on February 14th Born in Syria in 2081 [1981]. In Homs. That’s one City in the middle of Syria. Yes. And I have them in our village Attended secondary school and primary school. And then we moved to the big city, to Homs. And that’s where I finished high school and passed my Abitur. And with good grades I studied dentistry at university. That was from 2000 to 2005. After that I did too Further training as an oral surgeon. In a hospital in Homs also studied for five years. And in the end I get that Certificate as a dentist and as an oral surgeon. I also worked in Syria for about ten years. Yes, in Syria, I have in our family, they have a great interest in education. My father was an engineer and my mother is a housewife. And they took care of us… My brother and sister came to study at the university. I have those Studied dentistry. My brother has that too Studied civil engineering. Also my wife, my sister, also study nursing.
[i] Everyone has such a great education.
[r] Yes.
[i] Very nice.
[r] That was good.
[i] Yes. Before I go deep with you I just want to ask, what did you bring us for this interview today? Yes, I have a picture of my son that was with me when I left my home. That was when my son was about nine months old.
[i] Yes, come to the camera. Oh, very sweet.
[r] Yes, his name is [name].
[i] Yes.
[r] Yes. And yes…
[i] Thank you.
[r] We also had a son, a child, in Germany.
[i] Here?
[r] Yes, his name is [name] and he is six months old.
[i] Oh nice, congratulations.
[r] Yes.
[i] Very good.
[r] Thank you very much.
[i] Yes. Doctor, you’ve been there for almost three and a half years here in Germany.
[r] Yes, that’s right.
[i] I would like to know why you left your homeland and came to Germany. So briefly told.
[r] It is already known that in our homeland it was 2011, the war started and yes, you can say anything about how you work privately. I’m a dentist. I have in my… I had two practices there, one in the city and one in our village too. And my wife is a pharmacist. Yes, I left my practice three times. And… things. It was also broken because of the war. Yes, I tried to always stay there. But in the end I couldn’t buy any new devices. Yes, or new ones too building practice. And that’s… Yes. In the end I had my own car. I sold my car so I could come to Germany…
[i] Yes. Of course a lot has happened, right?
[r] Yes.
[i] But first let’s talk about you, about your person. They come from an educated background Family, which is of course really, really great. Tell me a little about your childhood. How did you get yours? Remember your childhood there?
[r] Yes, that was… Childhood is always very beautiful in Syria, we… live in ours Village like a family. Yes, we go to school in the morning afternoon, we’ll meet together. Me and my colleagues, distribute the children, or something. Then we’ll go play. Yes, we also meet up with families to eat and chat.
[i] So this cultural and social aspect Life, which is very important, right?
[r] Yes. And… Yes. I am a Christian. We also go to everyone Sunday to church. In Syria we always have that too To make respect from parents. For example, I wasn’t allowed to speak when my father spoke. Yes. This… I think life in Syria was very, very nice before the war. That was very nice. And… we always had Respect from parents.
[i] Nice.
[r] That’s why I have here in Germany… I do voluntary work here in Germany, including in a retirement home.
[i] Yes.
[r] For a year and a half.
[i] Nice. So you also have a lot of contacts.
[r] Yes.
[i] And many too experiences here.
[r] Lots of contact with seniors. I also have good contact with four or five German families. With one also in a retirement home, also here in Wattenscheid. And also in St. Joseph Church in St. Mary. Yes.
[i] Nice. Did you come to Bochum straight away when you entered the country?
[r] No. I went to Neubrandenburg first, came near Schwerin. But I don’t know anyone there. I am in contact with a family. They also come from my village. You live here in Bochum. That’s why I’m after Bochum moved.
[i] Okay. And live ever since You here in Bochum.
[r] Yes. I was only in Neubrandenburg for two months.
[i] Two months. So Bochum was no coincidence. You wanted to come to Bochum, because you had friends here.
[r] Yes.
[i] And do you like it here?
[r] Yes. Bochum is a very beautiful city for me. And I also have good contact with the people here. People are always helpful here. And she told me Helped a lot at the beginning. A family called the [Name] family also helped me find an apartment. Yes. At the beginning, yes, we contacted in English. Yes, with that. But that was only the first three or four months. Then I learned the language here at school. And also with contact with a family. Also Josef Kirschi, Family [name]. The wife of the [name] family. She also has us and with four or five Colleagues also learned German.
[i] So I think you speak a very, very good German for this short time.
[r] Yes, but German is a difficult language. You always have to make contact, so you have to be diligent. You also always have to pay attention to the articles. Before the verbs. Yes, that might take a while.
[i] Yes, it’s not an easy language. You really have to confirm that. But that comes with time.
[r] Yes, of course.
[i] You went straight back into your education and got back into it. We’ll talk about this topic later. But I want like this at the beginning of this Interviews to find out more about you. About your family. How do you have that? Experienced time in Syria? Are you still in touch with your family and how?
[r] Yes, I have to say my first Woman was a patient of mine. I got engaged to him and then we got married. There were two of us born there years ago. But my wife was pregnant. After that we had a child. Syria was so dangerous with a child. We decided I need to go to another city. Or I have to go Driving Germany. Yes, the first year was so difficult. I’m alone here in Syria. Because you have to have one first Get visa from family.
[i] Yes.
[r] And then you have to get the stay first. And then you can have one Submit an application for the family. This takes a year so that my wife and son…
[i] So you have one Family reunion?
[r] Family reunification.
[i] You were just here alone?
[r] Yes, a year.
[i] You then have yours Woman with her son to Germany Family reunification.
[r] Yes.
[i] Also interesting.
[i] Let’s talk about it again later.
[r] Yes. But not all families are allowed to come to Germany together. Yes, that’s why, my parents, my father and my mother, they are still in Syria.
[i] Would you like your parents to come to Germany too?
[r] Yes, of course. That’s why I want to start working quickly so that I can have one give a visa to my parents.
[i] Do you think it would be better for your parents to live here in Germany or…?
[r] Maybe it’s so difficult for mine Parents who lived here and learned German. But in Syria it is War and dangerous. Yes, it would be better when they come to Germany and you can think about it in ten years.
[i] Yes.
[r] Yes, because nobody knows how much longer the war in Syria will last.
[i] That’s right. An honest sister has faded in Syria?
[r] Yes.
[i] Or does someone live there with her?
[r] My sister also left Syria. She also lives here near Bochum. In a city it’s called food.
[i] Oh nice.
[r] Yes. And my brother also lives here in Dubai.
[i] Yes. So that means it’s difficult for your parents without the children.
[r] Yes, it is difficult and in We don’t have a retirement home in Syria. We don’t have insurance here.
[i] No pension system.
[r] Yes, that’s how it is, so, so difficult. If one of you gets sick, that’s so bad.
[i] Yes. And above all, that Parents invest in theirs Children, so that the children can take care of them later.
[r] Yes.
[i] That’s our culture. Still.
[r] Yes.
[i] Still. So we are obliged to look at our parents. That’s how we were raised.
[r] Yes, of course. That’s why I want to start working quickly and either send money to my parents or follow my parents Germany to get permission.
[i] Yes. Telephone contact, right?
[r] Yes. Also WhatsApp and Facebook.
[i] They still have it too Contact your friends there?
[r] Yes, of course.
[i] Yes.
[r] You can’t forget your friends. Especially, they say, the school friends.
[i] Yes, you have many years together.
[r] Yes, of course, about 30 years.
[i] How was it? Time for you here? Doctor, in your village, So you live in a village. Is that a big one? Village, a small village?
[r] Yes, it’s such a small village.
[i] Are all Christians, who live there?
[r] Yes.
[i] What is your village like again?
[r] It is called Al-Hafar. Al-Hafar.
[i] Al-Hafar.
[r] Yes. She is also next to the big village, her name is Sadat. My wife is from Sadat and I am from Al-Hafar. Yes. And we left our village several times and our village was broken. Yes, always war and ISIS is coming and stuff.
[i] Yes, it should not be underestimated. Yes, and then you are in this big city. You did your studies there and your professional life there. Did you and your wife move there and your parents still live in your village? Or where did you live there?
[r] No, my parents now live in the big city in Homs. Because in our village there is… For example, no loading of groceries. It’s difficult to live there. We have one too hour of electricity per day. This is so difficult. Yes.
[i] You live in a big city.
[i] Yes, and a village is always more dangerous than a city.
[i] Yes.
[r] Yes.
[i] How do you feel about that? Live here in Bochum now? Is there a big difference in that? Compared to life in Syria? So you said, They were happy there. You have your professional life, you have also had your own job. You are one of them Family that was successful. They have their professional one Life, job, family, wife, married, all on your own You’ve got your legs. What is the difference or no difference?
[r] No, of course there is a difference. Everyone lives in Germany and in Syria. So there are always rules here. Everything has to be followed by the rules. Yes, you have to say that too. In Germany, too, you first have to master the German language so that you can start working. Yes, and that takes three years. Yes, but all residents and I have to say, the residents here were very nice. Yes, and they helped me so much. For example in a foreign office or in a job center or in an organization. For example at Bravo Kuda. Yes, and also with the professions, contact with family residents or in Joseph Kirchheim. Yes, it was difficult here, but with the help of these people it was always…
[i] Everything a little easier.
[r] Yes.
[i] We would also like to talk a little bit later about this integration thing because you said, Language is the key to integration.
[r] Yes.
[i] And that is the most important thing. Yes. But there you go, I have this Impression that wasn’t so difficult for you because you’re already an academic. So you learned the language straight away, right?
[r] Yes, but everything academic needs to have more certificates in German.
[i] Yes.
[r] For example, I have to have at least two certificates in German so that I can send my certificates to the district government to let them into the district.
[i] Yes.
[r] Yes, and that also takes more time. And I also have to go to the dental association Example also make an appeal. And I’ll get the call a month later, uh, one year, I get one Appointment. This takes a year, so…
[i] And so much bureaucracy, right?
[r] Yes, can…
[i] We don’t have that much bureaucracy here either. This is always a lot of bureaucracy for us.
[r] Yes.
[i] You can say that. But it’s also nice when you live in a country where there is law.
[r] Yes, of course. And you see, safety is most important, for example for me and my family. Here my son, you see goes to kindergarten. We have too Health insurance. Yes, that’s great.
[i] Do you feel comfortable here? So do you feel safe here?
[r] Yes. I think so.
[i] Do you think you have arrived here at home now? So feel here too Home? Home is always home.
[r] Yes, of course. Home is always home. But when you’re single, people can think you have a family. Yes. Yes, and you can’t just follow that Syria. In Syria there is still war there.
[i] Of course.
[r] Yes, and it is dangerous. But of course, you always have the feeling that I want to go to my homeland, I want to see my homeland. Yes, of course.
[i] Doctor, do you feel like a stranger here or are you okay with life here? So you have the feeling There are so many differences here for migrants and Germans or do you now feel comfortable? So how do you feel?
[r] I feel perhaps the most At the beginning, I had the feeling that this was strange here, because maybe I couldn’t speak well, I can’t entertain, I wouldn’t be able to buy it well or anything like that. And that was a problem for me too. But if you speak German well, talk to people, not a short one Answer, just yes or no, that’s great too. And I’m now making preparations for the mini service in St. Mary Magdalene. Yes, I think I’m here and my son speaks German. I’m like a German.
[i] Very well integrated. It is also important that you are ready for it. You have to be ready yourself because it takes a lot of time and a lot of energy. You have to want it too.
[r] And you have to be afraid…
[i] … overcome. No fear.
[r] Because in the beginning there is always fear, Fear. A lot of people, they can’t walk, they can’t talk to him. That always scares and pushes back. Yes, but if you can speak well, entertain. And then that always works Problem easier or something.
[i] Yes.
[r] And I think you are here. And especially here in Bochum. Maybe it was a bit difficult in Brandenburg too. We don’t speak there either English. But here in Bochum everything was okay at the beginning and you are very, very good.
[i] People talk about Bochum as a colorful city. They have a lot of them here Nationalities living in Bochum. So here, you also find the Arabs, you find the Europeans, everyone else Nationalities are represented here. So it’s very mixed, very colorful.
[r] I noticed that, yes, here in Bochum. And for example, you are from my village, around 85 people from here in Bochum. This just comes from a small village. Yes.
[i] your community, right? From her village. And what is the contact like with your community that lives here in Bochum? So they get the contact?
[r] We always make contact with my colleagues and, for example, we always meet up Christmas and New Year’s Eve. We book a hall, we have a big party, yes.
[i] Very nice.
[r] And we always meet together.
[i] Yes, it’s also important, right?
[r] Yes.
[i] Because they say 85 People who come from their village, that’s not exactly a small number here in Bochum, right?
[r] Yes, that’s right.
[i] And that people… have you organized yourself here? So are you well organized here, as a group?
[r] Yes, I think that was very good. At first we got help, for example, one of our villagers stays with me so that their families come, then you look for your own apartment. Yes, and we were here, we are getting bigger and bigger so that we are here.
[i] Very nice.
[r] 85 people, yes, it’s very nice.
[i] You also helped each other a lot, right?
[r] Yes, of course.
[i] You wanted to create a small community here right from the start, right?
[r] Yes.
[i] Was consciously like that.
[r] Yes. And for example, we endured the apartment thing and, yes, moving. For example, I have, my wife has a problem, we have to go to the hospital, can I take my son with me Let colleagues, one day, two days.
[i] Oh, how beautiful.
[r] Yes, I have, it all stems from my wife’s delivery. We have to go to the hospital for five days and my wife stays there. Yes. And our colleagues helped us. Yes, of course.
[i] Yes. You thought about it correctly, right? For the future, this is also very, very important, because somewhere, you come to Germany and you have Yes, you spent many years there in your country and suddenly you are in a completely different country. Then you have to adapt a lot, right?
[r] And also, it’s good for our children. They go to the kindergarten and stay there for about eight hours, they speak German. But when I visit my colleague, she speaks to my colleague’s children in Arabic and she knows both of them Master languages, yes, and also the…
[i] This is very, very important.
[r] Yes.
[i] Yes. You’re under so much pressure now, aren’t you? Here.
[r] Yes.
[i] Well, I notice, family, Children, six months child. They try very hard to work right here.
[r] Yes.
[i] Have you forgotten this homesickness, I feel like I have to go home, or is it because you’re under this pressure that you have to find home here?
[r] I, yes, you always think of your homeland, of which, especially of your parents, they are still in Syria. Yes, I would like to stay and work here in the future, but you always have to think about your parents too. If you are allowed to come to Germany, maybe it will be easier. If they are not allowed to come to Germany, that is difficult and you have to, maybe my father, you see, he was 89, 69 years old, he’s healthy, but in ten years or so, you have to think, what do I do? I can’t just leave my parents there, that’s not possible, yes. But. You see, I want us to try to stay here and build our future here.
[i] Yes. We always hear people say that if everything were quieter, then people would have to go back. So how do you find that, that’s how you feel When a law like this comes along, you say that the Syrians were all here because of the war, now we have peace and quiet, they have to go back? Because you have a piece of your own Already started living here, right? How do you feel about that?
[r] Yes. I think Germany always has rules and they, and if you work here and earn well and pay the taxes, I believe you get the big chance here for the uneaten ones to get stays. But yes, if people just sit here and only get the money from job centers. Yes, two years, three years, four years and when you learn German and why you don’t work. Even in our homeland, no one is allowed to sit there without working.
[i] Unemployed, right?
[r] Yes.
[i] That has to do something, right?
[r] Yes. Yes. You have to be up to five years Study German and think about it and then decide which one I have to work on this area. But if you just stay with her Help from the money from job centers. And that’s not so good either, especially for the Syrian people. Syrian people, they always think about work, to buy an apartment in the future or something like that. Yes. But I think we have everything like that, we didn’t have that problem when we work here and also do our orientation and pay taxes.
[i] Yes. You have it here too Had difficulties? Such problems, such administrative procedures, Translate papers and stuff. Do you also have such difficulties?
[r] Yes. I had the big problem here that the embassy in Syria was closed and I had not certified my documents in the German embassy in Beirut. That’s why I don’t get a chance to be an appraiser. That means I have to take a technical language test first. After the technical language test, I only get two years of professional leave. After my professional leave, I have to take another exam, a knowledge test. But before that war or before 2015. If you have the documents and the Certificates certified at the embassy. Then you only need two certificates in German and a specialist language test. And then you can work more easily. Yes, it is so difficult. Although the certificate can be simple Contact the university in Syria. So that you ask whether the… Certificates are correct or incorrect. Whether I study in Syria or not.
[i] Of course.
[r] Yes, but yes.
[i] You have to certify better, whether these are original receipts or not.
[r] And that too takes time. Now I’m three and a half years old and I’m starting work next month. Yes, and I have to take another exam in two years. That means five years. You are insecure.
[i] Yes, but you can also speak of good luck and success. Because next month will be you work in your job.
[r] Yes.
[i] And you can be really proud of that.
[r] Yes.
[i] It shouldn’t be underestimated that after three and a half years in your situation, a wife, two children and then you have to learn the entire language and work in your field. This is of course a really, really great thing. Particularly.
[r] Yes, of course. My wife has always helped me. Especially at the last exam. That was so difficult. You have to do it from two sharing exists. One chatting with patients. One in writing, which also includes an x-ray. What all treatment suggestions. And the last part was technical jargon with two. They entertain. Yes, my wife also looked after the children for two months. And also the library here Bochum also helped me. I’m going to the library 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. every day so that I can study and learn there in peace. Yes, that was very, very helpful.
[i] You can say.
[r] And yes, good. I now have an employment contract. And I’ll start next month to work. And as a dentist. This is also so important for me because I also want… I have five in Syria Studied dentistry for years. Then five years Further training as an oral surgeon. And I can’t do anything else here. And that’s very nice, when I work as a dentist.
[i] Yes, that would be too bad. Yes. We’ll move on straight away. Welcome again. Mr. Dr. [Name], we’ll continue to talk about your life, about your journey. I want to start with this when you made the decision that you finally want to go to Germany. How was the year for you?
[r] Yes, of course, that was so difficult. I tried to stay in Syria. The war started in 2011. And I was there for three more years and try to live there. But yes, I ever changed my practice. Yes, and I have to buy new devices every time. And it’s a medical practice. This is so difficult how Chairs and also x-ray machines. This is so difficult. But we tried, me and my family to stay there. But in the end I almost lost everything. And I couldn’t open a new practice. And I had on End just my car. And me and my wife, we decided that we would have the first child. It is so dangerous for our children to stay here. And also in the future, maybe we won’t be able to work anymore. And then it was a difficult one Decision to leave our homeland. But we end up with this… And especially my brother wasn’t in Syria too. And my sister is married. And her husband also has to go to Germany. And she comes later too. And I also have to think about whether it’s possible if I leave my wife and son there alone. With my parents, of course. But also, it’s difficult. For example, mine Father is 69 years old. It is difficult him there too…
[i] …to leave alone.
[r] Yes, with mine Leaving mother alone. Yes, but that was always dangerous. That’s why we have decided I have to go to Germany. And after that, we try to bring our families there too… to visit.
[i] Yes. Doctor, you have it Decision not made alone. The family was for it.
[r] Yes, of course.
[i] The parents also wanted that you just leave then. And start your future somewhere else. Mom and dad. Or were they also very afraid for you?
[r] I also have to say, everything… My brother flew to Dubai. My mother was so sad. And she always tells him come back, come back. But after the war, she recommended us we have to leave our homeland. Yes, and they can’t leave, because the path is so difficult. And dangerous. Yes. I have to go to first Example flown to Türkiye. And…
[i] Have you paid now?
[r] Yes, of course. But I already said on At the end I only had my own car. I sold my car so that I could use the money to go to Germany.
[i] Of course.
[r] Yes, I flew to Türkiye, also from Türkiye to Greece.
[i] How long did you stay in Türkiye?
[r] In Türkiye, that only takes a week.
[i] Was she a week?
[r] Was only a week so the sea was calmer. And then we have to Greece by ship or boat…
[i] Balam?
[r] Balam means Balam.
[i] Balam is with the Balam?
[r] Yes, with the…
[i] They say Balam.
[r] Yes, and that is also so dangerous. And normally only ten people are allowed to ride with him. But…
[i] How many were at the Balam?
[r] There were 25 people. It was quite comfortable and dangerous.
[i] Did they all know how to swim?
[r] No. Yes, but it is like that.
[i] People are into this Ship arrived, right?
[r] Yes. And also with an old ship, they say. This is very old and is almost broken. But… Because they just leave the ship like that.
[i] In the water?
[r] In the water. Yes, and we also paid a lot of money. Around 1,500 euros. Yes, and then we went to Greece. And there we couldn’t fly directly to Germany. That’s why we had to go to first Walking from Greece to Macedonia.
[i] Are you walking distance from Greece to Macedonia?
[r] Yes, and that was also…
[i] How many hours did you run?
[r] The problem is, we tried five times the border between Greece and Macedonia… Am I saying that correctly? Yes, but the police always come and leave us behind again. And we are looking for another way. And we have 48 hours, because we were at the border. So that we can try. And we tried that five times. In the end it worked, it was done.
[i] After five times?
[r] After five times. And once you’ve done that, you also have to walk at least 30 kilometers deep into Macedonia. So that the police don’t come and come back again.
[i] Do you have to…
[r] Yes, that was difficult too. And from Macedonia…
[i] Also dangerous, right?
[r] Yes, totally dangerous because we walk and put our foot down so that…
[i] In the forest too? In the forest?
[r] And in the forest too, of course.
[i] In the dark?
[r] Yes, and in the dark…
[i] So that they don’t discover you, right?
[r] Yes. And then we were off Macedonia to Serbia. With one train.
[i] Yes.
[r] Yes, also with the help of the UN.
[i] Were you relieved when you were in Serbia, that the UN was there and they received you? Or was that still a thing? Risk that she will send you back too?
[r] Yes, because we can’t understand the language there and… but we also had to…
[i] Did they already understand? that they are refugees and you want…
[r] Yes, of course. And we were also… we always run with a group, about 200 people or so, and it’s clear that we are refugees. Yes, and also with the Syrian papers or something. Yes, but in Serbia, Then we should also go to Germany and how to do that is difficult.
[i] How did you do that? from Serbia to Germany?
[r] Yes, also from contacts with colleagues and so on. There is a man there who takes money, around 1,500 euros.
[i] Pay again?
[r] Yes, pay again. And then he gathers us into one, they say, small bus or that had no windows or something. Yes, and directly from Serbia to Germany. And that was so dangerous. We were about 17 people. Yes. Yes, we couldn’t Smell the air because…
[i] You didn’t have one Oxygen on the bus, right?
[r] Yes, in the beginning, yes, first hour, yes, but after that and about 60 hours or so…
[i] No break, no air.
[r] No break Yes, of course, none Pause and no window. But…
[i] Was dangerous too.
[r] Yes.
[i] People couldn’t get in there, right?
[r] Yes, but that was the case. Difficult, but it works.
[i] In the end you did it.
[r] Yes, I did it. And I went to Hamburg first and there is a camp nearby.
[i] Yes.
[r] I stayed in the camp for about, I can say, a week. And yes, that was the first bad one Feeling like you’re a dentist back home and can earn money and you can buy anything. You have to sit in the camp with them Waiting for people to eat for a long, long time. So that you too gets potatoes and… That was yes, that was the first feeling. I have this…
[i] Yes, you can’t forget the feelings, right?
[r] Yes, of course. Yes.
[i] Of course it’s very difficult for you. You were full of life and you also had a good life. And independent and They come to a camp. Everything is unknown. No language. Many people.
[r] And different people.
[i] And different people.
[r] Yes.
[i] Anything. Yes, and then you would have to You’ll get along. Were you happy that you initially came alone, without your wife and children? Did you say thank God I first came alone and…
[r] Yes, of course. Especially everything, like from Greece to… from Türkiye to Greece. Was so dangerous. And…
[i] The little child wouldn’t have survived that, maybe, right?
[r] Yes, that was the case. And we can’t swim if something happened.
[i] Yes. Okay, then you were one week in camp and after…
[r] Afterwards I get an interview.
[i] Yes.
[r] And a dish or something.
[i] Decision comes then.
[r] Yes. And after that… We are 1 and 8 people. Yes, too…
[i] Transfer. Transfer to Neubrandenburg.
[i] To Brandenburg.
[r] Yes. Neubrandenburg.
[i] So Berlin.
[r] No, not Berlin. This is…
[i] Not in Brandenburg.
[i] Ah, okay.
[r] in the north. Yes. And in one city it is called Bremen.
[i] Ah, to Bremen in Brandenburg.
[r] Bremen, yes. Yes. And yes, there were about 10 of us People in an apartment. And…
[i] Was it a little easier or still a lot of stress? So when you did then…
[r] We were all Syrian. Can we chat? Yes, but that’s difficult. We were under supervision or Shortfall from one employee. And they were… Yes. They were very nice. But she can’t speak English well because they mostly speak Russian and German. But at the beginning everything was fine. For example, she gave us supermarkets, Rewe and so on, and Aldi, where we can buy groceries there. She has us in front of the hollow. How can we separate the waste? And… And before the rule here in In Germany you also have to note that it won’t be that loud because we are in an apartment. This is for them Neighbors difficult.
[i] Of course. And we talk very loudly anyway, right?
[r] Yes.
[i] And the next…
[r] The Arabs always read. We always speak a little louder. Yes. And also… But… That was also…
[i] When did you first feel so good that you said, now, thank God, now I’m in Germany. War is behind me.
[r] But not behind me, the war. That’s the difficult thing. Yes, I am in Germany. But mine Family is in Syria. And things were so difficult in Syria at that time. And so bad. Yes. And we can’t always make contact.
[i] Yes.
[r] Yes. And yes… And it was in this one Time in our village too. And our… My family left our village. And I don’t know where… Where… Gone where.
[i] Yes.
[r] Yes. And that was… Yes. This time is so difficult.
[i] Lots of worries, right?
[r] Yes. And I have already said that we are in contact with our colleagues who live here in Bochum. And they have me Bochum recommended. So… And we drove here to Bochum. And yes… It was difficult at the beginning because there was only one person among us… We were five people from our village. Only one has a small one Found apartment. It was just a room. Yes, we are… We lived with them. And there is the… For example, one can say, that… It’s a new way. Because we have to sit here, over the papers.
[i] Yes.
[r] Thinking about how this is going. How can we have one? Find an apartment?
[i] How should we first understand how does it work here in Germany? So.
[r] Yes.
[i] This is a completely different life, than what is known in Syria. No?
[r] And at the beginning it’s difficult when someone… For example, refugee finding an apartment. Yes. But thank God, I have a German woman known to family. And also with that Help from Mr. [Name]. His name is [Name]. He helped me too. Also because… And he always goes with me, when we make an appointment. And he sits upstairs. And that works in the end. And I found a small apartment first. Yes, this is for one person. And I have…
[i] But that’s also important, right? That you get an apartment.
[i] Yes, of course.
[i] Otherwise you can Don’t bring your family.
[r] Ah, that’s important.
[i] That is also set.
[r] Yes. I have to have a registration here so that I can, for example, get the papers ready for my family.
[i] Yes, exactly.
[r] Yes. And that was a little difficult at the beginning. I have with that Language course started. And there were still five of us People in a room. Yes, with problems. I’m looking for an apartment. I have to learn German. I have to think about my family. I have to make appointments at the immigration office. The first two months everything was a mess. But then it works. I have the first one Accommodation done here. And I was also able to study alone in peace. And the appointments were also made. I also work in the immigration office. Was also very nice. And they have them problems understood. And the first good feeling was that my wife has an appointment at the German embassy in Lebanon.
[i] But that is very positive.
[r] Yes, but it takes time. I was here in July 2015. But my wife and son are here. You are in Germany Arrived at the end of August 2016.
[i] That must have been a very long time for you.
[r] Yes.
[i] But seen this way, for the Germans Bureaucracy was okay. Other families have two or three It took years for them to come here. And others are still waiting until today.
[r] That was very good. There in Neubrandenburg, I can only get my three-year stay in one week. And that was so fast. And that was very good.
[i] Yes, that was very positive. And then it’s finally Her family came. Woman with child.
[r] Yes.
[i] You were probably very happy about that, right?
[r] Yes. That was very, very lucky. I have my son… My son was nine months old when I left him there. Yes. And he comes here only after… He was two years old when he was here in Germany… But he doesn’t know me.
[i] Yes.
[r] He only knows my parents because they received their first upbringing from my parents. He only knows me on the Internet.
[i] Yes.
[r] Yes. And yes, but that was very, very nice, she wanted to say to me.
[i] Yes, of course it is very… This fate is very touching, right? But that’s also normal. You can also show your feelings that you feel the same way about it, right? Was very sad or happy. That’s not the worst thing. The most beautiful thing is there. You did it, doctor. And they have them Brought family here. You’ve come a long way. And that shows a lot of strength to you. That also cost you a lot of energy. Now you are here. Woman is here. Child is here. And you are the man who has to do it. And responsible and stuff, right? You are happy somewhere. But then there is more Work has come for you, right?
[r] Yes.
[i] They also had to start everything all over again. The whole registration. There’s a lot of bureaucracy here, isn’t there?
[r] Yes, that’s right. You have to register for that Families in the citizens’ office, in the foreign office. My wife needs to renew her passport. We have to do that too Go to the embassy in Berlin. This means even longer for the pass. We have to go too Looking for a kindergarten for our child. I also studied in two schools every day. One in the morning and the other in the afternoon. And my wife also has to start with the language. She is also a pharmacist. She already received the A1 certificate in Syria. And yes, our path is a bit long. We also need to make this shorter as possible.
[i] Of course.
[r] Yes. But to this day I can say it works. I have this B2 certificate in German. The DAS certificate also in German. I have those too Passed the technical language test. And in one year I did an internship here in Germany. And now I have the employment contract. And I’ll start with that work next month. My wife has too Learned German here. And B2 certificate. And has two months in one too Worked as a pharmacist internship. But she gets pregnant. And she’s having a baby. And she has to get the baby safely now. Maybe she’ll start working next year. When we find a place for our baby. Yes. But the problem remains. They think of our parents in Syria.
[i] The family then.
[r] Yes.
[i] So I notice already in the conversation, they had no time for themselves. They don’t have any either So much time for leisure. Because they were always busy around the clock.
[r] Yes.
[i] You have achieved a lot in a short time.
[r] Yes, that was completely different than in Syria. In Syria, we work and always go to the restaurant. Also for visiting. We always go on holiday by the sea. Two, three days. Yes. It was always difficult here in Germany. Because we always had to learn German. Learn German on the appointment. Thinking on the weekend. You go here to buy. Yes. You don’t have enough money.
[i] Of course, to do something.
[r] Yes.
[i] Because actually, I want to ask you about your cultural life here. So what is your cultural life, your tradition? Do you maintain your tradition? Or is there no more time for it? Because for what you want to achieve and everything you have already done, I don’t know if you still have a bit of time left. To do something, as I said.
[r] Maybe. We’ve been there several times Went to the swimming pool. Yes, but not like that anymore. We were also in Xanten once. This is such an old city. Such an old Syrian city. Yes, but not like that. But not planned something to do for a month. Because we had to study intensively. Afterwards my wife also becomes pregnant. We also had to be careful in the first or third months. Yes, and after that after that Delivery with a baby. Yes, and that was…
[i] Do you have a hobby?
[r] Yes, of course travel.
[i] Do you like traveling?
[r] Yes.
[i] This is your hobby?
[r] Yes, that’s with me. And ride a bike. And yes, and also read.
[i] Yes. I can already imagine it. So start reading. With what you have already achieved. Mr. [Name], the future is, I would say, almost certain for you. They planned this and achieved it. I hope you will continue to achieve this.
[r] I can say it’s not entirely clear yet.
[i] Okay.
[r] Yes, because we are still thinking about the future of ourselves. And from my parents and from our children. There are three different things here. Yes, maybe for our children. Hence security. You can also live here. And they have friends here too. And they also speak German. Me and my wife, we also have to think about how our careers will continue. I have to… I said my parents won’t be authenticated at the embassy. That means I have to appeal here again. My wife has to do that too Allow certificate to belong. Yes, and we always think about our parents. Thank God, nothing has happened to date. And they are healthy. But that’s difficult one to decide. We would like… We hope in the Future, when me and my wife work, it’s easy to decide.
[i] Yes, definitely. So, of course, leisure time isn’t really our issue right now. But the culture in your country, so what You did have a big celebration in your village in Syria Christmas when Easter… Were you able to experience that here too?
[r] We’re trying to do that here. Yes, it is difficult. Yes, but we usually try in Book a hall for Easter or New Year’s Eve and our colleagues village together. Yes, it works once, not even once. Yes, and the hall here costs so much money. And we get twice the chance. Then the Lord [name], A pastor in St. Joseph has asked us to come into the hall three times to date. And we met there.
[i] And celebrated well, right?
[r] Yes, and with Arabic Music, with Arabic dancing.
[i] This is important.
[r] Yes.
[i] But the way you know it at home, this cultural life, you went for a walk once a week every Friday, or in your case now every Sunday, right? You go on short shift and then the family meets for lunch or something, right? Here you have this, this cultural Life is well cared for, as well. .. or there isn’t that much time for it here. Or visit every day like at home, without calling, without an appointment. Is the difference… is it big or normal?
[r] For me it’s completely normal because I had my private practice, because I don’t do one Appointment on the weekend. Yes, and I’d already had enough Money for leisure or… Out…spend with it. Yes, I have to… I like to go somewhere… where can I find my… my son…
[i] Where he is happy, right?
[r] Where he is happy, yes. That’s what I do, yes. Because… also there is the difference. Maybe, what interests me, that’s boring for my son.
[i] That’s right.
[r] Yes, but we came to Germany while our child… and that’s why my child has to be happy here.
[i] Yes, that’s true. And there are some things you can do for children that don’t cost that much money. Children enjoy spending time with their parents and playing with them.
[r] That’s right, yes. If you want a fresh air walk, on the playground…
[r] ride a bike.
[i] Yes, I say so. So playground, mirror groups, they are so important for children. But they are trying very hard to find a good life here again. Doctor, mine Question for you now. Have you regretted that? To come to Germany?
[r] I don’t have… At the beginning I didn’t think that I’m going to Germany.
[i] The idea wasn’t there?
[r] No, no. And the German one Language was so difficult. I thought when I was driving, I’m going to another country. You can speak English so I can quickly recognize my certificates. Yes, but we had contact with many refugees. They were here in Germany and they were comfortable here. And then I can say, Thank you very much for Germany. She helped us.
[i] So you have no regrets. It’s okay.
[r] No.
[i] If you are faced with the choice today, think You think about it after this whole experience. Would you come to Germany again? Or would you say, no, Would I rather go somewhere else? I have many here had difficulties. Or no?
[r] Yes, that was too…
[i] Or, right?
[r] Thank God for those Safety for the children. But yes. But that’s for me… Especially my wife. In Syria we… I studied in Syria for about twelve years. This is so difficult when I’m here at the beginning… Yes, maybe… I won’t leave my homeland.
[i] Yes.
[r] Yes, because it was so difficult when you finish your studies and then work. And then comes… I also have everything in Syria… I’m a surgeon, also in one Hospital, with the help of five dentists. And to this day I am… For three years, six months, so that I can start work again. This is… Yes, as difficult as that for me. Maybe do everything young or something. That’s easier. But…
[i] Yes. So, as I said, you don’t have any regrets about it. But it’s also not the best solution for your life. They have many had difficulties. You also have pressure. This is really what life is like here Germany comes with a lot of pressure. But other side, the positive Page now that there is a law here, everything is organized, everything runs according to schedule. This is a relief for you because You are an academic and you know these…
[r] Yes, you can learn that.
[i] …regulated life. And yes, you need that. And such a big mess all in one Land and such a mess obviously doesn’t make your life any easier. From one point of view, that’s good. From the other side comes… That’s very good, but then the language, the time, the hurdles that come then. Do you feel at home here? Is this here now… Have you come home to Bochum or not yet?
[r] I am of course grateful for the help, but yes, it is difficult, you can never want everything at home. Yes, I had my own apartment there. Here you have to rent first and everything… It’s difficult when… Example of living from a job center, someone else pays money for him, so he can rent an apartment or… …buy groceries. This is special for me, is a bit difficult. Yes, and also… We previously had a baby in Syria, my parents can also come to our baby. My wife has to work now. My wife has to come here with ours Stay baby so she can grow up big enough. So that we can leave childminders or… But…
[i] Here you are all alone, You have to do everything alone, even if you have family here, you also have to do it alone…
[r] Yes, it’s completely different here than in Syria.
[i] In Europe the society is that Society here is completely different…
[r] Different culture, yes, that’s right, I noticed that.
[i] So, with us there is not, if I go, I have to organize first, maybe now, here the other day… In this year 2018 and 19, You have to make an appointment, but you have an appointment, you just go to your parents’ house. Say the kids will stay here for three hours or the afternoon or something, right?
[r] Yes, everything here has to be done according to the appointment, on the calendar, everything is there.
[i] Yes.
[r] Yes, and regulated.
[i] Everything has boundaries here, right? So, of course there are no, many limits.
[r] Yes, I can only find a place to work here. Do you always have to work here? work, either learn German or go shopping or go to work and, yes, and… And less time for the family, that’s the big difference between here and Syria.
[i] Doctor, what you like Not in Bochum? What do you find what is missing in Bochum?
[r] Bochum is a quiet city, yes, and, but… I can’t, it’s not like that, I want to… Like, because I want… I don’t like it when I go to Wattenscheid train station and can’t find… So, I want, uh, how do you say, laps and stuff…
[i] elevator.
[r] Elevator, yes, I always think about the older ones People who can drive from Germany.
[i] Not everyone has freedom, right?
[r] Yes.
[i] If you have strollers, then you have to take the stairs, right?
[r] Yes, and also the train always being late and stuff like that. I’ve always said that Germany is always so colorful when it comes to appointments, of course you have to be colorful, but I always think the tram is late. Yes, the train is late. And that, how can you achieve that?
[i] Yes.
[r] Yes.
[i] Not everything is perfect here either, right?
[r] Yes.
[i] What do you find beautiful in Bochum? What is important to you here in Bochum?
[r] First I have to say, the residents here in Bochum. Yes. The residents here are very nice, ready to help, always. Yes, I can say that. I quickly made contact with five German families. And they have very, very good friends. This has always helped me with appointments, with… Yes, it’s completely different here. I am a stranger to them people and they help me. And they don’t know what…
[i] Who they are, right?
[r] Yes. This is… And also Bochum is a small city. You can go there Example… the appointments don’t have to travel that far, that’s…
[i] You can find everything.
[r] Everything, yes, close and…
[i] Everything is around the corner. So shopping, doctors…
[r] Shopping, doctors, yes.
[i] …school, kindergarten. It’s nice to have everything here with you, right? Radhaus plays a big role for the Syrian community here in Bochum. They always find Radhaus. And where the bell is, It’s a nice place, right? And they just meet.
[r] Yes.
[i] You know everything is good there. In the town hall, that’s kind of a normal place, right?
[r] Of course, yes. The Space for appointments. Yes, if my wife tells me, where do we meet? Tell me, next to the town hall. And that’s what the town hall is too. It’s a very nice place too. And with that too, they say, with lots of buildings.
[i] Do you think that’s nice, that so many Syrians from your country, from your homeland, are here too? Or are there sometimes problems and conflicts? Because one is like that, the other is like that. The German people perhaps have a completely wrong image of Syrians. How do you feel about that?
[r] Yes, everyone has their own problems. It’s different than all of them. For example, my wife came to Germany after a year. Other came later. His family also has to come later. They also lost their Syrian papers. Everyone has a problem. But I think everyone stays here in Bochum.
[i] Yes.
[r] And that was also…
[i] I think you have mine Question not really understood now. For you, you think that’s nice, that so many are Syrians and the people who live here have the right image? So when I talk to you as a German woman and I tell you, I have this opinion of Syrians. Is that the right opinion or are there always so many wrong things? So, do you think that’s the right picture? Or people are so different and they destroy many people?
[r] No, to this day I still think that Syrian women have a good orientation here. I have also read several times in Center, then the Syrian refugees, they make up a small percent, have a little problem or something. Not so much anything else. They may have been here for a long time.
[i] I can confirm that too. So, they’re here… They are very well integrated here.
[r] Yes.
[i] In a short time. And they also try to avoid problems and stress, right?
[r] Yes, and I think everything is helped. The German family I know Syrian quickly learned the German language. And yes, here we are after three years, then you can say that almost 50 percent have also started working. And that is…
[i] Very positive.
[r] Yes, very, very good. And yes, if you also work, then… Don’t think about the wrong path.
[i] Yes. If you have the opportunity to go to Syria like this today, when everything is calm, you would say, okay, now I was three and a half Years here in Germany and now the decision has come: should I go home or not anymore? Say, no, now I’ve started here, I have to stay here for two more years…
[r] I have to try to build things up here myself in the future and maybe, if everything goes smoothly in Syria, I’ll go there for a vacation or something like that, because…
[i] But living and working there is so normal…
[r] For me this is so difficult because…
[i] Now it’s difficult.
[r] With that you have to buy an apartment and practice and for me that’s it…
[i] Unimaginable.
[r] Yes.
[i] Unimaginable at the moment.
[r] Yes.
[i] I think it’s also easier, so that you say yes, okay, now I’ve started here and I have to finish this first, right? But if you take the German one language, then you can still visit and you can go home and have a look.
[r] Yes, that’s right.
[i] This develops over time, but today you don’t know, there are so many secrets, so many unknowns, because you can’t not read that often.
[r] Yes.
[i] This is the only way you can have hope.
[r] Yes, and to this day there are none… the Syrian ones Refugees haven’t caused a big problem and I believe that…
[i] That is also positive.
[r] …positive, yes.
[i] That’s right. The role of the community here within Bochum, that you are connected together, you can talk to each other, make phone calls, Make visits, appointments… They said, her brother or Sister is here in Essen?
[r] Yes, in Essen.
[i] Sister or brother?
[r] sister.
[i] Your sister. That’s nice for them too.
[r] Yes, that’s also…
[i] Having family here.
[r] Yes, that is…
[i] And also for the children, so that they also notice that their aunt is there.
[r] Yes, of course that… that’s why my brother in law… Also… he came to Essen so that we could live next to each other for once maybe a day, once in Go there for a month or two months. Yes, and that varies. In Syria we can meet every afternoon. But here… my sister lives near me. Seven kilometers. And I only see once in two months.
[i] Because the time that I read it, you can’t do that. Have you already registered your children in kindergarten?
[r] I have enrolled my child in kindergarten, but the most difficult thing is that he doesn’t get a place for lunch. He already has a place for lunch this year, but next year he won’t get a place for lunch because now… we had a baby at home and my wife is staying at home. Then you just have to stay there until twelve o’clock. And that’s difficult because my Woman also wants to learn German. …and they have to too Accept certificate. And I don’t understand that very well here in Germany.
[i] Maybe this can be regulated better, More kindergarten places for working people so that the children can all find space for a full time.
[r] Yes, and especially my son has to go to school the year after next. If he only has 25 hours to go this year Goes to kindergarten at 12 o’clock, then…
[i] Until 5 o’clock? No, that’s more. Until 5 a.m., which is 5 p.m.
[r] No, no, until 12 p.m.
[i] Until 12 p.m., exactly.
[r] Yes, and then just 4 hours, 5 hours.
[i] That’s not enough.
[r] Yes, and then he goes to school and he can’t speak German well because the children just play for the first 4 hours.
[i] Of course, they come with power and they just want to keep themselves busy.
[r] Yes.
[i] Maybe you can consider registering it somewhere else.
[r] I registered my son for 4-year-old kindergarten, but we are always on the waiting list. And the difficult thing, If you have a place in a kindergarten, then no one else can come to the kindergarten.
[i] Because you already have something.
[r] Yes.
[i] Others don’t have anything yet, so to speak.
[r] Yes.
[i] Do you have a lot of time for your family? Despite this everyday stress, and you are the family in general, you have to take care of everything. Is there still a bit of time left for the family?
[r] Until today there is enough time, but when I start work, I think it will be bad because the work is late until 7 p.m. and the children don’t have to sleep until 8 p.m.
[i] Who will look after the children?
[r] My wife.
[i] Your wife?
[r] Yes.
[i] When do you have to go out? Early?
[r] Me?
[i] To work. When are you leaving?
[r] That’s the difference, because my contract is 38 hours a week and also once on a Saturday morning. Yes, and I can say that from 9 a.m. to…
[i] Until 7 p.m.
[r] Until 7 p.m. With an hour break, that was already the lunch break.
[i] That means you will both be working. You work outside and your wife also works at home.
[r] Yes.
[i] This is also…
[r] And it’s also difficult in Germany when only the man works alone, who also earns so much money.
[i] That’s enough too.
[r] Yes, they both have to work, but it works, everything works and goes easily too.
[i] Yes, as I know you, with your power and your commitment, will You do that somewhere else. Hopefully you can do it too and your wife will. Starting a family is not easy.
[r] Yes, of course.
[i] Family takes a lot of time, Family needs a lot of money. Whether that’s in Syria or in… Germany, it’s the same everywhere. Children need a lot care and are expensive. So now you have two small children. Do you need to have more children?
[r] You have to think about this a lot here. We had to have a girl but it doesn’t work and I think…
[i] Only the boys come. Only the boys come. Yes, boys are one too God’s gift.
[r] It’s good, that Health is good.
[i] But your parents are happy that…
[r] Yes, of course, especially my father, yes.
[i] You are probably very, very proud of it. So with us, when a girl comes, they aren’t so happy about it.
[r] Yes.
[i] This is of course something very special.
[r] This is Arabic culture.
[i] Yes. After this whole experience here Bochum and everything you have already experienced, can you give me a summary of your feelings, here in the Ruhr area in general Bochum, how do you see it?
[r] Please again? Can you still…
[i] How do you see it now? Your life here in Bochum? Also mix… How do you see Bochum? So as a city, as a place? Keep mixing…
[r] I always love the quiet city and I think here is… the city is good and I was looking for a quiet place nearby so that I don’t change the city and it works. I have to go to a town here next month, just twelve kilometers from my… Yes, because we lived here and everything was fine, there are four buses and the S-Bahn and there are also Doctors nearby and yes and the colleagues and the relatives here and those German family we know. Yes, I would like to move to another city again and then that Habit, everything strange there. Again.
[i] Do you have any here that are so racist Contacts or someone was mean to you or do you feel like you’re in here Germany Foreigners are not welcome? Have you experienced this in a situation? Do you feel that or do you?
[r] No, no, never for me. No, that never happened. Til today.
[i] Nobody was rude to you?
[r] No, and especially the employees, they are always, they have always supported me and they have helped me, yes, I can name, the woman [Name] in the job center has always supported me, paying for the course and so on and also in the foreign office, Mrs [Name] told me it’s great, To help the Germans when they start work, I can quickly set aside one day for an unlimited period of time. Yes, she was always motivated and she helped us and the German family here until today, for three years and six months, make good contact with him, without problems, with him, with neighbors too. Until today, you see, at the beginning I was alone in my small apartment and when my family came to Germany, we changed apartments and we have been living there for two years now and everything is okay to this day, yes.
[i] Nice, that’s very positive news, that you haven’t experienced anything bad here. How does it work with nutrition? How is that? So you have… Was the food strange here? Or was that good? What was it like shopping for bread? Maybe tell us a little…
[r] Yes, at the beginning, the first two months, it’s so bad because there are no Arabic or Turkish shops in Neubrandenburg. We just had to, for example, eat German bread or toast. Yes, we don’t know the name of the thing, for example, I want to buy yogurt, but the yogurt comes with other fruits or…
[i] fruits.
[r] Fruits, yes.
[i] We don’t know that at home.
[r] Or especially on Start with water the first day. Normally in Syria there is only still water, but here if we want to drink there is one Water, mineral water or with cabbage.
[i] You don’t know that.
[r] No.
[i] That’s not common at all, right?
[r] But step by step we have good experience and can know which ones we need to buy every year.
[i] Have you ever had someone come after you? Invited home and did you offer him Arabic food?
[r] Yes, several times. Through the family and the Pastor and the [name] family. We always make contact and they invite us to their place and we also invite him to Arabic food. And we also once had a community festival, That was also two years ago in Joseph Church, we asked for an Arabic meal and that was very nice.
[i] You love our Arabic cuisine, right?
[r] Yes.
[i] The Syrian specialties. Do you also love German cuisine? Have you tried any of the German cuisine? Any dishes?
[r] Yes, I tried it once, but that I don’t know the names of the dishes. Especially if that makes a size, So the potatoes with Dutch sauce, that’s also and also the, as they say, the witch, pork witch too. Yes. And what else? And also so much, they eat so much fish here too.
[i] Yes, fish specialties.
[r] Yes.
[i] So you didn’t have any problems with it, is everything OK?
[r] Yes, everything is fine.
[i] Yes. And all the things you find these days all the specialties and you have them here. I would very much like to give you the final word, that you then just end this interview. I would like to thank you for this opportunity. We did a great interview in German. I think that’s so beautiful. I can only motivate you to keep doing it. I wish you lots and lots of strength and Patience and also good luck for your future, because you are not making your future alone, but there are also many other people on board with you. I wish you only the best, Dr. [name] You are a role model for many People who are here in Germany. Thank you for this opportunity, that you are with us today and that you have allowed us to have one Part of your life to hear too. And I have many beautiful ones from you too Learned things that you should never give up.
[r] I would also like to thank you for the support of the refugees and also for the interview. And I hope I could Give you a picture of our homeland or those who live here Germany live, offer. And yes, thank you very much for everything.
[i] Yes, very much and thank you very much.