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[i] Today is June 24, 2018. I’m currently in Bochum with Mr. [Name] a collective accommodation in Kollegstrasse Thank you very much, Mr. [Name], for taking the time for a short interview with me today. Despite Sunday, I’m happy that we’re doing an interview today. Thank you very much Mr. [Name] for your willingness to do the interview and your hospitality. I would like to start the interview now. [Name] Before we get started with this Start interview, wanted to ask you You brought a meter and some seeds here as an object. First takes the meter, What does this meter mean to you?
[r] I haven’t seen my father for a long time. While he was in Iraq, there were many things with him. The meter was also among these things There were pliers, measuring instruments and much more While I was leaving Iraq illegally, I also brought it with me. I thought that one It’s a memory from my father. I had a lot of other things but I wasn’t allowed to take it on the plane. Maybe I have other things The only thing I took with me, but the most important thing for me, is that my father is a bricklayer. He plastered He owned this meter when he came to Iraq, I wanted him to give to me, then he gave to me. If I need the meter for my work, I use my father’s meter. The meter is difficult to protect, when a friend asks you to that you give to him and the meter does not give back or loses, then what do you do? I have a law [rule] I look at the technical materials, I do their work with my own technical material I just get like this
[i] Is this how you protect it? Many then, it is a very valuable thing. Except meter you also brought some seeds…
[r] I sowed the seed. I planted these seeds in Iraq myself, here are watermelon, Radishes and Tomatoes Available There are many varieties of seeds, I am Ecmistim myself, I took the ones I planted myself, when I ate, collected and dried the seeds. I put it in one bag for next year. When I came to Germany, I brought some seeds with me. I wanted my chickens and Take the cock with you too but you wouldn’t let me say that Bring chickens and roosters on the plane. That’s why I had to leave them there. I have my chickens, Rooster [and donkey left there laughing] I left there when I came, But I wanted to take a lot of things with me They said only take a small bag with you because you had to hike illegally I was only allowed to have something like that illegally
[i] Just what you have with you, fill a small bag or Donkeys, roosters and giants don’t fit the bag This is a reality
[r] That’s why I have something smaller, like Kurdish chewing gum I have something like that Bought Suleymania. I still have that gum. Chewing gum made from tree resin Original chewing gum, organic. I still have with me, I hide, they say, a medicine for stomach and when you cook you get as chewing gum The water from the tree is, when kauchum, turns into chewing gum. I’m having problems with mine teeth, that’s why I chew, Maybe cleaning it will help, I’ve brought more things like that with me. I have gum, seeds and a few I brought memories from my father with me
[i] A beautiful thing. I wanted to go to yours Childhood back Can you tell me about your childhood? where did you have your childhood and what was it like?
[r] I am in Nizip in 1970 Antep was born in Turkey. I’m currently 48 years old. My father’s name is [name] My mother’s name is [name]. I am eldest child, son All my siblings were born after me. In 1980-81 my father went to work as a laborer in Libya. He didn’t take us with him. In 1983 he came back and took us with him at that time I attended Turkish school, I attended second grade secondary school I had to drop out of school and I went with my family. just my brother [name] didn’t come along, he stayed there. He is not alive at the moment We are four siblings, one sister and three brothers. I no longer knew whether my little brother [name] was Born or not, we two or three brothers went to Libya We stay there for a year and a half. In 1985 my Father wasn’t good to me. … namely He annoyed me very much I told my mother that I was going to my uncle. then I left mine family and I went to my Uncle, that time was mine Uncle [name] in Syria. I was with him for a few years Afterwards my sent Uncle me to Europe He said: “go and develop yourself among the people there, do your best Together with the young people for the Kurds, our politics and our homeland. I was here, played football and danced. I at Curonian demo and Events Participate in Order for the to work for the Kurdish cause, I stayed here for three and four years.
[i] Where have you been in Europe?
[r] I’m after Bochum came. Back then had [name] helped me. I applied for asylum, couldn’t speak the language. I applied for asylum and got a passport, I stayed here until 1991 The behavior of one people showed me that I won’t be welcome here for long. In 1991 I had enough and returned to Syria to live with my uncle.
[i] What did you do in Syria? and how long stayed?
[r] In 1991 I went to Syria and Stayed with my uncle for 6-9 months. Afterwards I went to my uncle [name]. He was in Iraq. I went there illegally from Syria.
[i] What did you do in Syria? and How was your life in Syria?
[r] I lived in yours Close to my uncle. Sometimes we visited people in theirs Houses, sometimes we were in public. I was cooking. Because I know Arabic, sometimes I did the shopping. Sometimes we went for a walk in town. I went for walks and sometimes I read books. What else should I say? Sometimes we played football. Sometimes we list political books. My life was so simple. There was no specific task that I did and I didn’t go to school. Since I left Turkish school, I haven’t attended any school but my uncle told me which one Books I should read and I was still a child back then. I couldn’t think about what the others were doing, so I copied them too. I looked at other children and copied what they were doing. It was childhood. My attitude Father wasn’t good. The attitude of my friends Uncles were better than my father’s. He didn’t know how to deal with the children. He worked too much. Painted from morning to evening. Evening came to us tired to sleep, we couldn’t see our father. I didn’t see my father at home or in Libya, nor did I see him later. He worked all the time, painting 24 hours a day. Now I have contact with my father, otherwise there was no biological relationship anymore.
[i] Afterwards you were in Iraq with other uncles, how did you live there?
[r] I did the same thing there, I lived five six years in Iraqi villages. What my uncle told me had sometimes done and sometimes ignored. Our job there was to collect wood. we cooked for ourselves and occasionally went for walks through villages. We collected chestnuts for ourselves on the mountains. What can I say we had lived something like that. I had more of a normal life.
[i] How long did you live in Iraq?
[r] I lived in Iraq until spring 1996. In 1996 I went to my uncle [name] again
[i] By now you were no more Child and how long did you live there?
[r] I was 26 years old, but 26 years isn’t that big if you’re not mature, age alone is not enough. Being an adult starts with experience. You have to understand how to live. Until then I was an inexperienced boy.
[i] How long were you with yours Uncle in Syria? from 96 to when?
[r] I stayed with him until 98.
[i] Until 98
[r] Until my uncle left Syria in 98, I returned to my uncle [name] before he left Syria.
[i] Are you going to… To Iraq
[r] I went to [name] again.
[i] How long did you stay there?
[r] Where, 98?
[i] From 98 until when did you stay there?
[r] Until 2001. I was with my uncle
[i] After 2001 what did you do?
[r] After 2001… Am I illegal? Russia gone. I stayed for a while among Kurds in Russia Krasvander, Moscow And city of Yarestan Stayed 6-7 years
[i] Six seven years
[r] I stayed there among the Kurds. And in 2007-2008 I returned to Iraq. I wanted to come here to my family in 2003. But I didn’t have any had the opportunity I couldn’t come here I went to Iraq to get help so I could come here. Since 2003-4 I’ve watched as I find a way. At the same time I pursued what does life mean? I tried to understand everything, what does home mean, what does world mean, what does history mean and what does politics mean? I was looking. What is being a Kurd and what is being a party? Who am I? What is family? that is, the general one to understand the world. What are the truth of the world who am I? what are my correctness? At that time I wanted to understand this and wanted to come to Europe to be with my family. I’ve been here since 2003 and last year 2017 Germany came. Namely, this is how my 13 year story went. I wanted one side to be my family and another Page wanted to redesign the rest of my life. In Iraq and Russia I plan mostly so that we have better food, like tomatoes, cucumbers and peppers
[i] Can you explain to us, where did you get them? Planting started? In Iraq or in Russia?
[r] With planting I have Begun in Iraq in 1999. 1999, but I didn’t take much seriously, when I was in Russia was better. In 2003-4 in Russia I became more interested in planting. Every year my interest grew more and more.
[i] What did you plant in Russia?
[r] In Russia I planted strawberries, tomatoes, eggplant, Corn, watermelon, something edible like cabbage. What was needed was that Russia has a similar climate to Europe. I slowly learned to plant.
[i] Was the planting for yourself or for sale?
[r] No, planted for our food. I mostly dug by hand, with shovels. I had no way or money to pay for a tractor and have large fields. Just for my food, what I needed, tomatoes, Watermelon, strawberries. Just for my needs, what I should eat. My knowledge wasn’t there enough to plant more and pass it on or sell it. I didn’t have enough strength, nor did I have enough time and physical resources, nor was I financially able to plant large technical equipment and large fields. Back then, when I was in Russia, I didn’t have the brains and opportunities I have now.
[i] Your family went to Europe, you said that your parents and siblings live in Vienna. Went there from Libya. Why didn’t you go to your family and come to the German city of Bochum?
[r] I was also one of them because I was using fake ones illegally Passport came here. Said they were looking for me Germany had to bring. We’ll leave you in Germany. When I came here, I already saw that more Kurds live here. Family, me and my father didn’t have a good relationship. So that couldn’t be me…..and I as one Child so why couldn’t imagine me with him. Whether he wanted it or not, I wanted some close contact now. To help them, I used to be a child and couldn’t help. I could now take care of the family more; I used to help children too. For example, my mother said that we had no money because your father couldn’t send the money, so he took corn and went to sell it to get a few pennies so we could buy sugar and necessities. During school holidays I sold corn or sweets. When I was ten years old, I went to sell something to make some money. I already knew that in order to support my family financially I had done something like that.
[i] If you go into yours now return to childhood. How was your first one? Childhood in the village? What dreams did you have for the future?
[r] What was life for me, I stood from morning until late evening. I was still a child and was looking for something to do for myself. What should a child want? a beautiful and successful future. I liked playing. I couldn’t sit still as a child either I felt the tasks my mother gave me, or I was at school or playing. I went sheep hunting around midnight, got up very early in the morning, and during the day I was either at school or selling sweets or playing with other children. A fulfilled life. I wanted the things every child wants. I saw that someone was a Had a car and wanted one too. If someone else had a bike, they wanted one too. Just like everyone has childhood dreams, I had some too.
[i] If we look at your life; your life is culture-full and diverse. You are a Kurd, born in a Kurdish country Village. On your life’s journey you first went to Turkish metropolises, from there to Libya, then Syria, Iraq and Europe. From there again in Syria, then in Russia and back to Europe. if you these countries compare with each other: what were the circumstances there? How have these influenced your life? Could you explain something to us?
[r] In these countries I was involved within the Kurdish community, I had no direct contact with the other peoples but they influenced me indirectly. Of course they had an influence on me especially on language. I understand all Kurdish dialects, no matter if it’s soranic, is botic or serhatic, or from Mardin, met a lot of people. For example, even if I’m all Kurdish Even though I don’t speak dialects, I communicate. I was also able to learn a bit of Russian and German, of course they also had an influence on my culture. Many things currently have their approaches etc., psychologically. I am very affected it has countless Wounds caused.
[i] Even if you’re just under If you were Kurdish, you had definitely one or the other Get in touch with locals. What impression do they have? People there took notice of you, what was your relationship like with them when you were just a child and teenager?
[r] My relationship with people wasn’t that strong, completely normal. We have a rapprochement with each other but rarely. It was very useful for me, what more can I say. But it had so much impact on me and not just the language. I had a lot of impacts on myself and my thoughts. I can’t list everything individually because there is so much in every country the culture is Atmosphere, perspective and Dealing with social Topics very different. I wasn’t that perfect, but I am Stubborn and wants to build something for myself here. The fact that I perished a lot had a very positive influence on me.
[i] Which state did you like the most?
[r] Wherever I’ve been, I’ve never been bored, no matter whether I was in Libya, Iraq or Russia what should I say whether Muslim, Ezidis or Christians, I wanted to make good friends with them so that we could strengthen opposing sides. The work, no matter what it is If there was work, I was always there. I have done what they did. I listened whether they were foreign or local. I wanted to grab something what I could understand. what I did, I didn’t know exactly Maybe I didn’t understand a lot of things but… I traveled without fear
[i] How much Do you have any siblings?
[r] One died in Iraq in 1998 is called [name] another died in Vienna, [name] both were shorter than me. [name] and [name] have both already died. We don’t know [name] found dead at home He was found hanging. Now is my little one Brother [name] stayed, he was addicted to drugs.
[i] He lived in Vienna.
[r] He was in Vienna and returned Back home and still takes.
[i] Did he go to Suruc or Nizip?
[r] Yes, he was with my father in the village Amara, he bought the fields there. He went to his village and built a house there and is now with his father. He remained alone. He is drug addict. According to my guess, the cause of death could be… Vienna will be killed by such a problem. I don’t have any Trust in police. They say he killed himself. The cops lie a lot or. They will only be the End investigation quickly.
[i] Does your mother live in now Vienna or is she also in Amara?
[r] My mother died in Amara last year, spring last year.
[i] May Allah have mercy.
[r] Thank you.
[i] Which of you lives in Vienna now?
[r] In Vienna I now have three sisters, [name], [name] and [name].
[i] What is the relationship like with the sisters?
[r] You don’t speak my language. I would like to speak to you by phone, I visited you once in person and saw you. but they don’t speak my language and I don’t speak German. Only [name] can speak a bit of Kurdish. I call [name] occasionally. Like my father, she also works 24 hours a day. She never asks me how I’m doing, what I’m doing. We have occasionally Contact, mostly I call, I didn’t understand, how this culture works. We barely lived together as siblings. It’s clear to see we can’t do anything with each other.
[i] Your life path has alienated you from your family; you were rarely with them.
[r] Yes
[i] God knows
[r] We are just biological siblings, we have similarities and are strangers to each other.
[i] If we look at your life, you had one difficult and moving Life, you have many places and got to know cultures. How do you feel about love? Have you fallen in love? Have you had the time for love?
[r] What is love? Depending on your setting, you pay attention to different things Things: Some love, the appearance and the character. Of course there were people that I liked, there my life was not suitable for a relationship I didn’t propose to them, it couldn’t be long-term Bonds arise. Love has always been platonic for me.
[i] When and where was that, how old were you then?
[r] When I was a child, around eight or ten, I liked a girl from there Great, I thought one with the girl Building the future. Childish dreams… After that we went to Libya. There were girls and boys there, very different from each other separated. I couldn’t meet a girl there, let alone fall in love. There were in Kurdistan and Iraq Girls I liked, but I had neither the courage nor the strength to start a family.
[i] When you look back on life, where do you see your mistakes? What things do you regret? If you, with your current experience, what could change, what would you change?
[r] The question is a classic one Framing question, I ask myself constantly. sometimes I don’t think about my past enough. Now I’m looking forward, everyone People make mistakes in their lives. I could have done a lot of things better but also worse. I’m one of them. At least that’s how I see myself What’s important is that I ask myself every day what I can improve, and on some days I implement it. I always look at today and tomorrow. I do what I can do now, I made a lot of mistakes in the incident. People should always work on themselves. Man has many Failures, well, what’s over is over. It is important to use what is left correctly. If I can do that, I would like to work harder on myself about my work, my language and my to further develop behavior.
[i] You have a long life ahead of you. I believe you could do many things you want. You are hardworking. I would like you to talk a little about European life.
[i] Did you come to Germany in 2017? Could you comment on this? What time of year was it, what problems did you face?
[i] In the year you first arrived, there were about 20 years between 1988 and now 2017. What changes have occurred in Europe and in your life in 20 years?
[r] I expected that there would be less bureaucratic hassle this time. In the beginning there was a home place. Until the lawyer got permission from the authorities, there were problems with the home. I didn’t know where I was Sleep in the evening, with which friends could stay, those were the problems. Money was a problem, my father gave me some and sometimes that and sometimes that. Find a place to sleep and Finding money was the problem I had to deal with for a while. As a young person in my twenties I could go from place to place, that wasn’t a challenge for me, now I’m 48. Whether you believe me or not, I don’t know if I got a draft in mountain villages or something else, the slightest bit of cold gets me Headaches or physical problems. That’s why they were Difficulties this time greater. In the first year I had difficulty now there are no difficulties. At least I have a place to sleep, some income and with it I can buy something to eat. I have my garden and sometimes I can afford materials for it. The difficulties that I got into last year, I don’t have any difficulties at the moment. However. Man wants something Do better. I think I have that now Opportunity to think. I’m working. I plant my garden with organic vegetables, so that I have something healthy to eat. Even if everything isn’t perfect, you have something good to eat. You saw what I planted, you can take it in. I’m currently planting tomatoes, potatoes and many other things. If there is an opportunity, I would like to do something good for myself or for someone.
[i] You received recognition in 1988, how did the immigration authorities react? Could you on yours Use a residence permit?
[r] My lawyer has dealt with the Foreigners police spoke. It’s been six months until we get some had the documents together, then it was autumn. In the fall, after six months, they gave me a monthly toleration. My monthly tolerance is now on a three-month cycle. They give me a three-month stay. Toleration. This is called toleration. With a toleration you can only stay in one place and work in one place. My lawyer asked for my old people’s passport from the immigration office. The police say you have one Have a name like me, the same date of birth, the same father and mother and is also called [name]. Cops say we have to see who actually is [name], is it you or someone else. They say they do this will solve the problem.
[i] In other words, someone else arrived here using your name and applied for asylum here.
[r] Either he used my name or my passport or looked exactly like me. Happened two months ago, It’s very simple, my father did the DNA test, everything is proven. Paternity test done. It’s called a father test, that’s what we did. I have documents, mine Sister are here, everything is obvious. Five minutes work, mine can Deal with lawyer or police officer. There is such a thing person or not. It is not possible to be the same, the father is the same, the birth of the mother is the same, the birth of the father is the same. The brothers’ name is the same, so it is not possible. I don’t know it. My sisters come here and explain it, that is, solved in five minutes. I don’t know anymore. I think it’s a scam, so the police say something like that, but not convincingly.
[i] It’s a bureaucratic matter, the lawyer can clarify, it’s a very simple matter. Do you have the opportunity to speak German? Are you being offered something, right?
[r] I wanted to learn German. I always see German Watch TV at home. From television I get words and something else. I watch the news and other things. I wanted to go to the German course, but they told me that I had a tolerated permit and so I didn’t have one Residence permit only for toleration. You don’t have one You are entitled to a course with this residence permit, but you can finance the course yourself. I have no money, neither my father can give me nor I have a job, no one is already giving me a job. I don’t have a job, where do I get the money from? It’s not working. The state has to give but it also doesn’t. So that I can attend the course. I have to pay for the course myself. I don’t have any money in my pocket, I don’t have a job and nobody gives me the money. At the moment I would have to follow the television course.
[i] Unfortunately, now I see where you live. This is one of the Asylum seekers camp. I asked the carers beforehand and they said that 62 people currently live here. I think that 62 people each came from a different country. How is your relationship with them? How is your life here? Do they all live in a single room like you? or many people in one room? Do you know?
[r] Almost all of us live like this, there are some families, for example For example, some brother, mother, some sister, some, for example, there are also Germans here. For example, mine has Neighbor an elderly mother. He is German himself, he is older than me, 60 and his mother is 80 – 90 years old. There are individuals Young people from Libya, Iraq, Turkey but there are Africans. I don’t have much time. I work in my own organic garden. I don’t have much time, to sit with people. To chat. When I meet someone I speak, but language is a problem. I speak Kurdish and Turkish, a little Arabic. I speak very little Russian, I don’t speak English. My German is less. That’s why I have little with me people around me do. I wanted to help some people but they had bad characters. I would like them to work in the garden too. There was a Kurd from Iran. I have discovered that their character and mine Character are not similar. He looks at things that don’t concern him and doesn’t ask for permission. I’ve been working in the garden for 5 months, it’s new. He is new, but he plans everything for himself, he practices without asking. So I limited mine Contact with the others. Characters don’t match. You can’t do too much together, if you have different characters.
[i] You said that it’s harder to communicate with people, that’s why you’re more concerned with nature, right? I saw that your garden is very beautiful. I’ll take a few photos of the garden. God knows you have your most Spending time in this garden?
[r] So you give your work there and you get your reward. They want to help people but they don’t understand, I wanted to help people but the work of people is not always tangible when you care about mother nature takes care of it and looks after it, then you will also reap the fruits of your work. Now I need it if you have a good one want to eat strawberries or watermelon. They wanted a good one Eat tomatoes or cucumbers, If you want to eat organic beans or corn, Even if you have millions, you can’t buy it like that. I only grow organic. Sometimes I go shopping in organic stores but what I plant have better taste. The taste is better because it is fresh. what I plant is better than organic, that’s why I’m interested in it.
[i] I looked at your harvest, you gave me a tomato and a cucumber. Yours is 100% organic. What is sold in stores is not entirely organic because they spray.because they are sprayed. It’s true, you have a very beautiful and valuable garden I saw how you used your most spent time in the garden. The contradictions in the Society, the disagreements in the home are the reasons why do you prefer garden work? Do you prefer to spend time with your garden rather than with people?
[r] People don’t have a serious problem. I wanted to help humanly but if I understand it, it’s not easy to help people. Because you don’t know the other person, don’t you know how you could dance? nor do I say many people that they come to my garden. I’m interested in everyone, I also get along with people even those I don’t like. We can work together, it’s no problem. The quantity is not important, it is a necessity. If you don’t eat good food, you can’t work well. I have to eat a good meal first so I can do the work. Namely human! If you don’t eat a good meal, your health is not good. If your health is not good, they cannot do a good job. If the food is good, it would be better with other things too. I just came here. I dug the ground very deep for three four months, some dig 20cm I dig 60cm. I dig the ground with my hands and hoe. I’m cleaning the floor. I want to say that it is not easy. I just came. I buy tools. I don’t have the money, my Father sent some money. I spend the money to buy food on technology. For example, I have this Bought ground graves for €200. But I have one Bought a chainsaw for €300. I would like to prune the trees in the garden. I bought a lot of things. It wasn’t easy, I only had a budget of €300. Occasionally my father helped me. It’s not always easy when you do something, for example I borrowed a pickaxe and now I have to return it. Sometimes there isn’t enough money to get a pickaxe. I have a two Bought a shovel. Some things I can buy but not not everything I need. I have the things with me. I don’t have a proper one Standing room for the things. I’m new, I’m getting better at dealing with the difficulties every day. I’ll do it, every fruit, I harvest this year is a success. This is the first time in Grow something in Germany. I pay attention to my mistakes so I can improve next year.
[i] You say you have been here for three months, where were you before?
[r] I was first in collective accommodation in Weitmar for two or three months. They said Weitmar will be closed. I was there in winter, then they closed. At the beginning of spring, I think in March, they said that they were closing, everyone should be in Bochum and radius can be accommodated. If you find an apartment, then you could rent. There was no one who could help me with this. They said there was a place. They talked about this camp. They said this place was run by the bus and tram stop is far away. I said don’t mind, for me it’s better to live in nature. I wanted to go to Kollogstrasse. I did that for this place. I accepted and packed the same day, then moved there from Weitmar the next morning.
[i] What did you do in Weitmar? Have you been to Weitmar am Kohlenkamp?
[r] There were many bureaucratic procedures in Weitmar. For example, an account must be opened at the bank. I went to the bank several times until I opened an account, I had to deal with the bureaucratic process There’s a lot to struggle with. I had to go from place to place and look for work. When I was in Weitmar, it was winter and I didn’t have much opportunity to go for walks. I sometimes walked by bike and sometimes I took the tram. So I didn’t stay there long.
[i] You said you were looking for a job, what kind of job were you looking for? What can you do? It is very difficult to find a job with a tolerated leave and you need one Permission from the police, from the immigration authorities.
[r] I know it was a comfortable thing, I’ve finished my business, I was looking for new work, I was here and there and met a lot of people. I didn’t stay there long, I always had to clean, I shared a room with a Kurdish Iraqi. He smoked 24 hours a day and constantly had a cigarette between his fingers. He sometimes defecated next to the bed. The two or three weeks I was there I cleaned his room every day. There was an Arab opposite.
[i] How many people lived in one room?
[r] Two people lived in a room like this. There is a small one in the room Kitchen, a toilet and a small room for sleeping and there were two of us. The other wasn’t there often, maybe two or three days a week. The rest of the week he was in Cologne with his family. He didn’t pay attention to his hygiene. He smoked too much and drank Beer and stuff like that. It doesn’t really matter what he drank, I had to clean up after him. It smelled in there and I cleaned it. For example, I spent hours cleaning the stove alone. It was a small closet. I used a lot of effort and a small brush to remove the encrusted layer of grease. I scraped with a knife and a screwdriver.. And it still didn’t work. I spoke to Heimtun, that I can no longer bear this. It was his job for 24 hours to take care of dirt and clean mine. I often caught colds because I was constantly cleaning with wet hands and feet. I moved out of the room and into a better room; I was alone in Weitmar. There was an empty room. I expressed some concern to the home management. . His name is [name]. I told [name] that things can’t go on like this. Whole situation was degrading. I don’t smoke, but he smoked 24 hours a day, I couldn’t breathe properly and he always dirty everything. This is unacceptable and there was an empty room here. But we have reserved for those who are given new admissions here. Anyway, I got a new room. I left the room I had with Iraqi Kurd shared and went into a single room. Before I was with a young Arab. My cell phone was stolen while I was with him, my cell phone is gone. A friend of his slept with us. We slept in a room with three people, I said that nothing would happen. Ultimately my cell phone was stolen. I complained to the administration and said that the Lebanese man regularly lets a Moroccan sleep with us and he stole my cell phone. My cell phone is gone. Why bring three people in one room? How do they allow him to stay, he doesn’t belong with us. They allow a third person to stay with us. A Syrian worked in the administration and he told me that he would find my cell phone. he would take the cell phone from him but… I don’t know, he said he didn’t take the phone. You lied. There was a table in the room and the cell phone was on the table. There were three of us, where did the cell phone go? What else should I say? I changed two or three places within the facility so that I could sleep comfortably and not have my belongings stolen. There were many difficulties.
[i] It wasn’t far from the city ​​away?
[r] No in Weitmar.
[i] You find that Living in a home outside the city is better than living in a home in the city center.
[r] The thing is: the home management has to Accommodate people individually and appropriately. She cannot view everyone as identical. Well, how do you put me together like a 20 year old with a young person? although there are enough free rooms. They put me with a person who works 24 hours a day Smokes and doesn’t care about his cleanliness. First they put me up with a thief and the thief stole my things. What can I say, that one People learn something new. I understand that the home administration is arbitrary and acts selfishly and cannot calculate. Then I decided the line is a little under To put pressure on me to get a better room. Some showed me empty rooms and demanded that I move into them. I wanted to, but they didn’t accept it. At the very end I couldn’t take it anymore. Either I’ll be in this pollution, the cold and fall out of favor with that person, I couldn’t cope psychologically anymore. He cuddly area. I realized I couldn’t continue like this and complained to management. One day I saw that he was washing his shoes together with laundry in the machine. Someone must have opened the machine and put their shoes there. Strange, when I said why you did that he said he didn’t have any detergent. Then they ask for detergent, why do you put your shoes in the laundry? I collect my socks for 15 to 20 days and wash them separately. I wash these socks separately and dry them separately too. He threw his shoes in my laundry. I didn’t wear this lingerie, I don’t remember what I did with it. There were different ones People in this home. When you first come to… When it comes to camp, it’s very difficult.
[i] You were already in Germany before, you often stayed among the Kurds. You have traveled many countries, as well Syria and the Turkish metropolis, Libya, Russia, Germany. You worked for the Kurds and there is a large Kurdish society here. What is your relationship with the Kurds and their clubs?
[r] We have a club here. in Bochum, one in Essen, I’ll go if I get the chance. It’s a lonely place. People don’t come and go more often. and I would like to People see, but now I’m interested in gardening. That’s why I don’t have much opportunity to visit people. I think I should pay more attention to my health. For example, I have a sinusitis problem, a stomach problem. I tell doctors a lot about it. They give me medication and I take it. But it doesn’t have any effect. I would like to do something for the Kurds living here if I can help them. or can we do something together. I think, but… I need people who we can do something together. Or working together, the story with people. People who are here now, we don’t have much dialogue. I don’t know anyone either. I’m alone. Because I’m alone, I want to learn the language and I become my own Do the work yourself. I can’t find anyone here that I can do something with. Neither in the club nor here and the surrounding area. I met some people and went to their homes. But I didn’t like it that much. So you can’t do much with them. They don’t have any Desire to do something. You have no claim… more. They don’t have many requirements. So, what can I do with people I’ve seen? I don’t have any get result. I do not know yet! can I find someone here? Do something good together and help other people. I want useful for me, my surroundings and this city. For our Kurds and for other humanity. I think myself, both as human being as well as a socialist. So… I’m ready for what needs to be done. Of course I’m not like a real socialist. My opinion of Socialism is a little different, and my view of homeland ties is not identical to what others say. So this is what I am below I understand socialism and love of homeland differently and what the majority understands. I’m not a classic socialist, as some people claim. In my opinion, is a little different.
[i] Yes, I understand. I’m wrong, aren’t you saying that in addition to refugees, there are also locals living here.
[r] Yes, there are Germans.
[i] Why are the Germans here? Where are you from? Reason?
[r] They settled here before. I don’t know, they brought it here. This is only a home in name, but it doesn’t look like a home. The only difference is the security forces.
[i] I would like to ask, now here…. whether most of those housed here are refugees? They have residence problems, some have a tolerated permit, some none of them have Residence permit, some of them are not allowed to have a private apartment, have language problems but the Germans are citizens of this country, Germans are citizens of this country, they have no language or residence problems. Why they don’t take any Private apartment? and will they stay here? Are they homeless or the poor? Why live here? Have you ever talked to them about why they live here?
[r] I also see Germans here but my language is not sufficient to ask them why they have to live here. As I understand them, this place is good for them. You have no difficulties here, I don’t know how many Germans live here. As I see, I don’t know how many people there are, 10, 20. I don’t know how many people are here. Everyone can do a different one have history. Of course everyone doesn’t have the same story, for example my neighbor is an old man aged 80 and his daughter is 60 years old. This place is normal for them. I don’t know, but there are definitely reasons. I don’t know, how they are doing. They live completely normally here.
[i] How is the administration here? For example, if you bed the room here, it looks like a prison and there are security guards at the door. you have to identify yourself when entering.
[r] This is only for the guests. for example they have Security forces have their own rules. Guests have to leave the home after 10 p.m. and don’t sleep here, that’s the rule. When you go out, you have to hand over the key and leave like that. I believe it is for security. They take action because there are a lot of strangers here people want to come. They pay attention to cleanliness so some laws are required therefore it is not like a prison. Wherever and when you go, you are free, no one tells you anything, only you would have to sign once a month that you live here so that the company gets money. Just sign. If you didn’t sign the first month, you sign the second month, you can do two Stay away for months with permission. If you have a passport, you can work, no problem. there is no issue here. Many people who live here like me, want to go to work. Every now and then people with mental illnesses do this Problems, there’s no trouble here when it’s sunny. What else should I say? The door of a thick one Junger was beaten to pieces. He was later thrown out of here. He said that Iranian Boy broke his door but the home management said: no, it’s your fault. because he had already had a lot of trouble here before. So they got her out of here. You have the Iraqis said nothing. The door was broken. They changed the door and got their money from Germans. You now have a new door. For example this one German is overweight. He was really fat 160-170 kg. They sent him from here What’s going on now is normal if you’re here without To harm the surroundings, if you don’t harm the doors and the house, then they say Don’t manage yourself.
[i] That means what time you leave and when you come back, no one says anything?
[r] Yes, even if you leave and don’t come back, no one will tell you anything. Something between you and them Immigration office, if you have a passport you can go wherever you want, for example to America. Nobody tells you anything.
[i] What is the connection between here and the city? I came by car, something is out of town. It’s completely outside the city. Does the bus come here?
[r] Bus comes every hour. A bus stop is nearby and comes every hour. If you want, you can take the bus. There are up to 8 o’clock in the evening, otherwise you can do it any time you want Take the tram to the Hustadt stop. Tram always runs but far away from here.
[i] But it’s far away from here.
[r] It’s far away, you have to walk 20 Run for half an hour in minutes. A young person can also be 15 Minutes of sheep, otherwise half an hour.
[i] It’s hard…
[r] For example, this old man, you bring yours needs by car. He can’t do it himself. Others can go to the store and pick up the groceries they need.
[i] How is your everyday life? How is your day going?
[r] I get up early in the morning and I clean something. after the cleanliness, I do my laundry and tidy up my room, I have a lot of technical equipment, until I get everything in order, then I want to quickly go into the garden. There is work you can do in the garden. I have to buy what’s missing, plant something new and see if it should be watered. I have to take action when it rains. I disinfect the garden against snails, insects and mice and how have they caused damage? What could I do? I go into the garden and I do some mowing and digging the ground and I do more and I cook. Football is on these days. I’m watching football [World Cup] Russia FIFA I’m watching Match. I’m watching some games.
[i] Which team do you like? some teams have already played, if you watch the moment, which team do you want…..
[r] Which team will follow the rules and play with good tactics and humanely. I follow their honesty and their scams. How they prepared, well and honestly. I follow all the players on the team individually. Who plays after mine? Criteria, I have many criteria. I support that team with these criteria. I can change my team in half an hour. Whoever meets these criteria, whoever plays nicely and according to the rules, some win, but I don’t like it because it involves tricks and cheating. You watch how you score goals, but this team means nothing to me if this team gets a trophy, I tell them that they are thieves and crooks. If the team took the cup, I can’t afford this team.
[i] Football itself is a Friendly game, football is friendship, peace, the future and understanding of peoples. You say nice things and you also have important criteria. Can you tell me now about yours? Criteria before you change your criteria? Which team will win? Even if you say this Team didn’t play according to my criteria, but this team should win
[r] For example, teams that were previously famous are playing poorly in this tournament. There are some new teams in Latin America, they are good and play well. There are also some teams in Europe. For example, I don’t like the Croatians list. Croatia is in my opinion there are many tricks and…. The behavior and the game Players are not good and unacceptable. I don’t like their points at all. Croatians also scored a goal.
[i] Do you have any objections? Played Nigeria? Or?
[r] Against whom I don’t remember exactly. I don’t like their game and I don’t like them winning. I would never want that they win. I suspect that the first Match against Saudi Arabian… Saudi Arabia scored five goals.
[i] Saudi Arabia is not as strong a team as we know,
[r] Yes yes
[i] And Russia is the host.
[r] Russia as host has an advantage, nevertheless nevertheless there are still tricks. They scored five goals in the Arabs. I don’t like, for example.
[i] Which team is yours Favorite? Didn’t you say?
[r] Not something to do with will. Which team? I don’t care I think the team that plays the best should win, whoever deserves it. Law, What does law mean? With respect, with good physics and with a good one Preparation and tactics. Opponents should play such a nice game, so that everyone says Team Bravo. This team has prepared very well and score the goals and of course score a lot of deaths. And if it doesn’t score goals, I support a team like this. For example, say that the most popular team is Mexico, they have German Team defeated. Defeating the Germans is not that easy. I suspect that the Germans couldn’t play. The Germans disbanded and did not renew themselves but Mexicans did renew themselves. The Germans have the Mexican one Team not taken seriously, as a weak one saw the team and because it was the first game, They didn’t think it was much more important. But the victory of Mexico team is not small. Defeating the German team is not easy. They went well. The game they played against them Germans played was good. They won the next game against Nigeria or, no, it wasn’t Nigeria. It was Costa Rica or who was? Mexico won the game but it wasn’t a good game. The collectivity between each other was low and they narrowly won it. What else can I say?
[i] How did Germany play last night? Germany vs Sweden last minute, second,
[r] They had a hard time until the last minute, so they couldn’t win it…. like a man with bullets in his head. The German situation is like a person who has a bullet in his head but is still alive. It is the case. Of course, if you win at the last second, it’s not nice. Like someone was executed. Just like the one who was executed, but as if at the last With a breath, loosen his rope. Namely also coincidence. […]
[i] Or I don’t know exactly only their parents are from Turkey, both of them have Kurdish roots, you’ve already seen
[r] Who?
[i] Mesut Özil
[r] Who is the other one?
[i] Gündogan
[r] Gündogan these two,
[r] Are they Kurds?
[r] Gündogan
[i] Both are them Kurds from Malatya and surrounding areas
[i] The fact that they are Kurds or Turks is not that important. Both took photos together with Erdogan,
[r] But Özil wasn’t,
[i] But he was also,
[i] They gave him his jerseys and the whole world says that Erdogan is a dictator and everyone can already see what he is doing Kurds and in the Middle East. What he is doing against the Kurds in the Middle East against his neighbors is clear to see. Many criticized him during the elections in your opinion these two did these two people have to stay in the German team? How beautifully they play, these two people really deserve to play for the team. According to your criteria.
[r] Current Government of Turkey In my opinion, Turkish state for example we are Kurds, Our current one Condition in Turkey is miserable they are also Kurds. And if they’re going to have that kind of relationship with him, it’s not right. The Kurds who went to Erdogan’s side tell the Germans that Erdogan is better than you. That’s what they mean, that means you’re saying to Germans that you’re worse than the Turks are. If both of them had left. I saw too. So in my opinion, a German sees himself as a democrat. Germany sees himself as bound to human rights. In Germany there are social democratic ones parties. There are many Christian Democrats parties in Germany. However, if these players are given space. It means that the Germans aren’t good either, that’s what they say. Not true if the Germans feel worse than the Turks. I didn’t see it that way. I don’t see it that way. This is a philosophical and political one Discussion, I didn’t want to say much about it.
[i] […]
[r] I don’t say anything to the question. I didn’t say it for that, everything should be discussed. I mean, Germany wants one Make a sequel, what’s the point? In short, long Speech is short. In our opinion, Germany would not have given up [done like that] If these young people go into Erdogan’s politics. Erdogan’s politics today could do that Not solving the Kurdish problem in Turkey. He said he solved the Kurdish problem, he is lying. These boys will meet a man, who lies and puts pressure on the Kurds. There are big ones Problems in Turkey. They see Germany as worse, they see Germany as worse than Turkey. We are unhappy in Turkey and if Germany is worse than Turkey it is worse than Turkey. These players say so and the Germans let these players play for them. Playing in the most important position. The Kurds play in German ones Team on behalf of the Turks. Don’t play for your own people. They never say that Kurds are and they go to Erdogan and they promote Erdogan when the team is defeated because of these players. I like the fact that their team is in this state. The reason is that the Germans should… Let them see the state they are in. We came with one Hope for Germany. We thought there were human rights here. We can express ourselves and we can do good work here, for humanity, for our own people and for other peoples. For example, I thought like this and I came here. It seems that the Germans cannot see their situation. I follow the World Cup so I can better understand their politics. In my opinion, the position of the German team is very bad.
[i] That’s right, human rights, life, economy and the freedom of peoples are a beautiful country. You are in many countries. How do you see your future here? Where do you want to be after 10, 15 or 30 years ago? Do you want to live in Germany or return to your country?
[r] Yes, all my relatives are now in Germany. This is like our house. Mine live here Sisters and cousins ​​are all here. All my relatives are in Germany, France and Austria. No matter if we wanted to or not, here like our house. I see this as my home. Now I live here with a tolerated stay, they should give my residence status quickly. Otherwise Germany would be even worse than Syrian and Turkish countries. Now the Kurds, who live there. For example, they have at least a Syrian ID/passport. The Turks give Syrians a passport, I came to Germany and with the toleration I am not allowed to do anything, I have to find a solution faster. Otherwise I have to go to another state. I tell my relatives that this is not a place to live and they should leave.
[i] What is Bochum like for you? You have seen a bit of the city of Bochum, What does the city of Bochum mean to you?
[r] If I find the opportunity, I go for a walk. I have a bike and I go for walks with it so I love the whole world.
[i] What is yours Favorite place in Bochum?
[r] Ah in Bochum.
[i] What does Bochum mean to you?
[r] In the city of Bochum I love nature. I don’t have much to do with people, I can’t say this or that. I have nothing to do with anything like that. Now I can’t say that Bochum is nicer here. I am mainly interested in my surroundings. I’m going to Example around here. I know it’s very good people in Germany There is company, I would like to get to know them. If I had learned the German language, I would have been able to talk to them better. I can’t see many Kurds.
[i] What is home for you?
[r] That is home for people means the future
[i] Most people say, Where I work and live my life is my home. Country for someone, for example all your relatives are in Europe. You’ve been through many countries traveled. If you don’t feel comfortable in a place, it can’t be your country because nothing ties you down, right?
[r] Home Home is where people come from. This place also cannot be home, Even if you wanted to make your home, it’s not possible. People cannot be won over to the language and climate of a new country. The most comfortable place is where you were born. There are serious ones problems for every person, They came here because they have a lot of economic and political problems. I’m saying that we need a good relationship. People can do something good here so that you can achieve the effect there. Man should do good for him Place he came from and where he lives. People shouldn’t do bad things. And he should see this place as his home and forget his home. Where he came from, he has to do everything he can to do what he can for his homeland.
[i] What does identity mean to you?
[r] So this word means personality in Turkish
[i] Yes personality
[r] Regardless of whether you wanted to or not, there are so many evil things in the world. Every evil in the world has an influence on man. I want to create a chance for myself and bad ones improve habits, that have a negative effect on me. When one person corrects himself, he can be a good example for another. If you haven’t developed well, you can Don’t tell others why you haven’t behaved well? If you don’t have a lot of money and you don’t have good food. If you can’t speak beautifully, you can’t expect/demand anything else from another. If you can’t read, you can’t with others say why you don’t read. You should start from yourself.
[i] I saw it outside now You have a beautiful one garden laid out, You worked hard in the garden. How did the idea to build the garden come about? and what challenges did you encounter?
[r] The garden is a necessity because what I buy from the supermarket, for example what I buy and eat like tomatoes and watermelon but I eat occasionally Melons, melons from here They are very sweet but I also ate something else. I’m going into that Shop and buy bread, I know there is a chemical substance in it. This leads to serious problems in the future problems for human health.
[i] What you say is completely correct but you are not at home now. Now you live in one refugee accommodation and you are not allowed to leave the situation, because you have a toleration,
[r] No, it wasn’t harder to get a garden, they told me that you have a garden and I could use the garden. Not the current home management, but the previous one gave me permission to plant the garden. Then I have that Get a garden. I thought it would be easy but digging is very difficult and I would have to remove the stones from the garden. It doesn’t matter to me wherever I am and how I become. If I do something good, I must do good things and not bad things. I plant 1 square meter per day. Some days I dig 2 square meters, some days half a square meter, etc. I tidy up the garden and plant something. What I needed, I bought according to my budget and possibility. I buy earth, boxes and bags. I haven’t integrated well into the climate yet. You need understanding for them Integration and the climate habit. What I’m good at is an asset to me. I’ve been doing this for five six months. I believe that I will develop slowly.
[i] Good. Dear [name] thank you very much. Thank you, it was a very nice interview, I’m very happy and I’ll say it again to many people Thank you for making this interview possible for me. Like I told you, I’m going to take some photos of your garden. And I hope when your watermelon grows, we eat together. Goodbye
[r] Thank you,
[i] Ours Interview ends here.
[r] Thank you very much for coming.
[r] Thank you very much, thank you very much.