[i] Good day [name] !

[r] Good day!

My name is [name] . And I will interview you today for the project “Specially Unknown” and the Red Star Line museum. Can you tell me a little about yourself, please? What is your name? What country are you from? How old are you?

[r] Ok. I am [name] . I am from Syria. And I am 22 years old.

[i] And what have you done in Syria? Have you studied there yet?

[r] Yes. I studied Information Technology there in Syria. And now I’m studying Dutch at Linguapolis. I study Dutch.

[i] And what was it like for you at school? Can you describe your childhood? What was it like?

[r] Ok. Uh… I studied Information Technology from the beginning. And my school was really beautiful. And I had a lot of friends back then. We had a really good time together. And…

[i] And was it difficult or easy for you to study?

[r] No. It’s always easy to study in your native language. Yes…

[i] And what kind of child have you been?

[r] Oh… I was a very quiet child. And… Without making noise and fights… Yes… Friendly I think. [Laughs]

And can you describe your family? Do you have sisters or brothers? I have 3 sisters and 2 brothers. We lived together. In Syria. But now I live with my family. But my biggest sister lives alone in Deurne.

[i] And what city in Syria are you from?

[r] I am from Homs. Al Hawash-Homs.

[i] And can you describe your life before the war? How was it?

[r] Life was very easy. And everything was beautiful. And you had everything for you and close to you. You could always go to another place. And you could… visit your family. And go on holiday to the sea. There is a very beautiful sea in Syria. And it is always warm and quiet. And also clean. Yes.

[i] And what did you usually do with your family?

[r] With my family? Ah… Er… We had gone to Al-Qamsiyah. And… So I had my grandparents there. Um… And we had our holidays there.

[i] And did you have your own house in Syria?

Yes, we had a very big house. And… in a quiet place. And we had many trees in front of the house.

[i] Your own?

[r] Yes. And… And next to our house there was a river. And it was very beautiful. Nature.

[i] And can you describe the surroundings a bit more? Your neighborhood there.

[r] In Al Hawash I did not have a large neighborhood because around our house there was one… Uh…

You can say in English.

[r] Yes but… Around our house there were many trees and…

[i] Forest?

[r] Yes. Forests. Yes. But… We could go to our city in 5 minutes. And we always had… [Laughs] So we had everything close by.

[i] And what else did you like to do? What were you doing with your friends?

[r] In Syria it’s very easy to see your friends. We have all the time and free time for each other. Um… We can always go to a cafe… and drink shisha or… or…drinking shisha?


[r] Smoking Shisha… [laughs] Smoking! [Laughs] Yes. Okay. Smoking.

Smoking Shisha.

[r] Yes. In Syria…in Syria you can always have free time for your friends to do something together. And you can always go to a cafe, smoke shisha and maybe go to a bar or do something else. And the people there… love parties. And you can always go to a party. And it’s very beautiful.

[i] And what was the political situation before the war? What were the social relations or political atmosphere like?

[r] Before the war and after the war social relations were good. But the communication after the war has become bad.

[i] And before the war how was it?

[r] Before the war everything was easy. Uh… Yes. Everything was easy as… You could always go to your family members. But now it’s not that easy.

Yes. I know that there are many different religions in Syria, how was the communication between people before the war?

[r] Yes…it was…eh… It was normal. And now it is also normal but… not the same as before the war. Yes.

[i] And how did the situation change with the war?

[r] I don’t want to talk about it because it’s very difficult.

Okay. Then we can talk about your flight? Have you fled alone or with your parents?

[r] I have fled with my family. We came to Belgium with my parents and my sisters and brothers. We came by plane. First we went to… Were we going? Yes. First we went to Lebanon and then by plane to Egypt and then to Belgium. But on the same day.

[i] And do you remember how you made the decision to flee?

[r] It was my parents’ decision. Not from me.

[i] And what was the original plan? Did you want to come to Belgium?

[r] We have…we had a visa to come to Belgium. So that’s how we came to be here.

[i] And why Belgium?

[r] Therefore. [Laughs]

And what was your image of Europe? When you were in Syria. What ”image” or image did you have of Europe?

[r] Ah… I didn’t go to a similar place in Europe. But…the buildings… The buildings are the same in every place. And the people are friendly here in Belgium. And they always laugh. You can always talk to them. But… I don’t know about other countries.

I mean, when you were in Syria, did you have such an idea about what it would be like here?

[r] No. Nothing.

[i] Maybe from TV or the Internet?

[r] Yes. On TV is… It’s always with the movies. So it’s something else because… with the movies you have…. What was the stories?

[i] Story?

[r] Yes, yes. And the films are with the stories… So… You can’t decide with the movie or… even with something from the Internet. But here are good people.

[i] And do you remember the moment when you said goodbye in Syria? Saying ”Goodbye”.

[r] Yes!

[i] Can you tell me a little about this moment?

[r] Yes. Very difficult and… and a lot of emotions… and…yes very difficult. Really difficult!

[i] With whom should you say goodbye?

[r] With all my girlfriends and friends and with my family, my aunts, my uncle. And it was… saying “bye” in the morning to all the people you know… that you know. And it’s very difficult. Yes. So you don’t know when you’ll see them.

[i] And how did you do that?

[r] [Laughs] With the tears.

I mean, did you go to everyone’s house or how?

[r] No. They came to our house. To say goodbye.

[i] And was there anything you remember? The most special moment of your farewell?

[r] Oh… Yes, the most special moment for me… was the night before our departure. The whole family was there… and we were talking… and we had a very nice time together…. Mattha was drinking…Yes.

[i] So you fled with your parents and with your sisters?

[r] Yes.

[i] Uh… And did you have to prepare anything special for the flight? Or how was the preparation?

[r] I don’t know what you mean.

[i] Yes. So how was the preparation? Preparation for the flight?

[r] Ah…the preparation. For maybe two weeks we were preparing. We prepared everything. We took the most special things with us. Yes…

[i] And did you also have to sell everything or not?

[r] No. Not everything… Yes…it’s always… to buy or sell something… No. We didn’t sell anything there. We have everything there so far.

[i] And let’s talk about your arrival in Belgium. Do you remember the moment when you arrived in Belgium? What was your feeling?

My feeling was…yes… something new to do… to have a new beginning. And the biggest difference was that the day was too long. [laughs] And it was almost 11 o’clock and… and it was still light. Light! Yes. It was almost 11 o’clock and we still had light.

[i] In Syria?

[r] No. Here in Belgium. But in Syria it is almost dark at 7 o’clock.

[i] And in what month did you arrive?

[r] In June.

That’s why.

[r] In June. Yes.

[i] Yes therefore there was much light.

[r] Yes! [Laughs] And it was something strange… or weird for us.

[i] And did you have to go through special procedures? With your documents.

Erm…we had a visa. And then we applied for asylum. And it is easy here for Syrian people to get documents. So we have… We… During a short… short time… we got our documents.

[i] And what city did you arrive in?

[r] Eh…in Mechelen.

[i] And what was your first impression about Belgium and Mechelen? When you arrived.

[r] Yes…eh. Quiet and… You can do anything you want. We had free time. So we had no school or anything to do at first. But… It was… something new… new city to visit or to get to know. Yes… “Am I really bad?”


[r] ”Is it really bad?”

[i] No no. It is very good.

[r] ”I feel like my voice is really…”

[i] No no. It’s very good. So when did you start learning Dutch?

[r] Er…on September. I had… I got… I had gotten? I got it. On September I received a scholarship from Linguapolis. And it was something really big. To learn the language in 1 year.

[i] And how did you know about the fair?

[r] My assistant told me I could take an exam. And give me your diploma and everything… And I did it with my sister. And we got the scholarship.

[i] And your other sister and brothers? Did they also have to learn Dutch?

[r] Yes. But they are at school. So my other sister is studying at OKAN (Reception education for foreign-speaking children) and the other one is at an ordinary school.

[i] And what was it like for you to learn Dutch at Linguapolis?

[r] Yes very interesting. Because… there are many people of different nationalities. And really difficult…[laughs] Yes, because it’s very fast. And you have to learn the whole language. For 1 year.

[i] And what is the hardest thing about Dutch for you?

[r] The vocabulary. And… And the ”g” thing is difficult. But the easiest thing is something that you say everything you write. Yes. That’s easier than Arabic. Of course.

[i] And do you also speak other languages?

[r] Yes. I speak English and Syriac next to my mother tongue and it is Arabic.

[i] And what kind of language is Syriac?

[r] Syriac is the ancient language of Syria.

[i] Is it a bit like Arabic?

[r] No. It is completely different. It has a different alphabet. And other vocabulary. And everything is different.

[i] Is it a difficult language?

[r] I don’t know. Because I know it. So yes. Uh… I was very small then… when I learned it.

[i] And in Syria there are many people who still speak Syriac language?

[r] Yes. In Syria all the people speak Arabic. Certainly. But you can also find people who might speak Syriac or Armenian or Kurdish. And it is normal for Syrian people.

[i] So is Syriac such a nationality?

[r] No…

[i] Yes. Why do some people speak Syriac and others don’t?

[r] Ah. Because they are Syriac.

[i] Ah ok. So there is such a nationality.

[r] Yes. It’s the same if you find an Armenian person. Or ale je een…wanneer niet wanneer ”it’s like where…no matter where he lives”.

It doesn’t matter where he lives.

[r] Yes. If you find Armenian people, they will certainly speak Armenian.

[i] So you are Syriac?

[r] No. [Laughs] No, but… I learned it in Al Qamishli.

[i] Ah ok. So.

[r] Al Qamishli is very interesting. So you can make a… In the same city, you can find 4 or 5 languages. They always speak a different language. And you can learn it.

Is it such a school or?

[r] No. It is a special idea of Al Qamishli. And you can find many languages there. But not in other cities. It is Arabic everywhere.

[i] And why did you choose to learn Syriac?

[r] I had many friends who could speak to Syriac. They can speak to Syriac. And I have always talked to them.

[i] And what level of Dutch do you follow now at Linguapolis?

[r] Now I have passed level 3. And I have a lot of interest in it.

[i] And how much longer do you have to study?

[r] I think until September. Yes. To my ITNA. And then I will study speech therapy.

[i] Speech therapy?

[r] Yes.

[i] And why did you choose speech therapy?

[r] Er…I love helping people. And when I study speech therapy I can help children with their pronunciation. And… To express their emotions. It is not easy but it is very important for a person.

[i] And can you describe a bit of your life in Belgium? What do you do? What are your hobbies?

[r] Ok. Life in Belgium is very busy. You always have something to do. And in the morning I have the Dutch course at Linguapolis. And at night I have the integration course. I certainly have my free time. But… Here it’s easy to do something. You can always go out. And do something. You can walk in a park. You can go to a park and walk there. You can do sports. I will follow a guitar course. And it’s my hobby too. Yes…

[i] And are you satisfied with your life here in Belgium?

[r] Yes… So here’s your… personal life. And you always have to do something. And yes.

And in Syria how was it?

[r] In Syria… You have to take care of everyone in Syria. [Laughs] You can’t do everything. Like in Belgium.

[i] What are the reasons? Why can’t you do everything?

Yes…the culture. You can’t do everything about culture.

[i] Is that what you mean in general? Or by war?

[r] No. In general. Yes. They love their culture. And I respect the culture but… It’s not for me. [Laughs]

[i] Okay. Can you describe your surroundings a bit? And your neighborhood around your house.

[r] Around my house… I have everything dictated to me. I have a Lidl and Aldi… I also have a fitness club nearby. And my neighbours are quiet. We have no noise here. And… We have a tram stop nearby. And it’s easy to always go to the city centre.

[i] And do you have good contacts with your neighbours?

[r] No. I don’t have…almost no time to contact my neighbours.

[i] And are you happy with your home?

[r] Yes. I am very happy. So…

[i] Is it very different or the same as your house in Syria?

[r] Do you mean the house or the neighbours?

[i] The house.

[r] The house. No. Our house in Syria was bigger and… And… There is more quiet there than here. But here it is… But here it is also good.

[i] And do you have a feeling that you are used to living in Belgium? “Are you already used to live here?”

[r] Er…I can’t say so… I hardly have time to… with the Belgian people… Or no no no… Uh…

[i] I mean in general…

[r] Yes, yes. I know but… Ah… I had no or almost no free time to… Uh… To learn the Belgian traditions. I don’t know what to say. Really. But I’m going to say. Yes. I’m already used to it.

[i] Yes. I don’t mean just with people, but in general. The atmosphere. Life.

[r] Yes. I’m already used to it in general. And… It is very interesting. And you always have something to do.

[i] And if you compare your life here and your life in Syria what is the difference then?

[r] The biggest difference… In Syria you must have a lot of free time for your family or for your friends. And you have to take care of your family. But here in Belgium you always have to make an appointment. And you also have to respect the agreement. Certainly. And that is very important.

[i] And that doesn’t happen in Syria?

[r] Yes, not always. Yes the Syrian people can say: ”Oh. I’ll come after 1.5 hours. And they will come after 3 o’clock. It is normal.

[i] And with your friends in Syria you have to make such an appointment?

[r] No no. With my friends or with my friends… In Syria you can always make an appointment with your friends or visit them or do something together. But…here in Belgium you should definitely make an appointment. And make a plan…

[i] And what do you think is better?

[r] Wait a moment.

[i] So what way do you think is better for you? The Belgian way or Syrian way?

For me, the Belgian way is better. Uh… Because I am a quiet person. And… I like to make an appointment. And you can have your free time for yourself. And to do your hobbies. But in Syria… can you spend all your time… “What is it?” How do you say, “You can always be a visitor…?”

You can come whenever you want?

[r] No. I mean, “You can always expect someone.

[i] You should always expect someone to come.

[r] Yeah, okay. In Syria you should always expect someone to come along. And you hardly have time for yourself.

[i] And when you were in Syria you liked that or not?

[r] No. When I was in Syria I didn’t like it. And now I have my time.

[i] And do you often think about Syria and your house? Do you miss your home?

[r] Yes. Certainly I miss my home, my friends, my life there. And I think about it. But… not always. Because here, too, is very beautiful.

And… For example, if you communicate with people here, how does the communication work?

[r] Here I have almost no communication with the Belgian people. Because I… Studying Dutch. And I should definitely use the language. But I have communication with Syrian people. And… And we also make an appointment to do something together.

[i] Do you mean the Syrian people who live here have to make an appointment?

[r] Yes. They respect the culture of Belgium.

[i] So they are different from Syrian people in Syria?

[r] Almost. Almost different.

[i] And… Do you get along well with Belgian people?

[r] Yes. With the Belgian people it is easy to… no… Communication with the Belgian people is easy. They are friendly. They are always happy to help you. And it is something that is very beautiful and very nice. You can ask something on the street and they will be friendly and happy to help you.

[i] Uh… And do you have contact with other communities? Not only Syrian but also other communities?

[r] Yes… I have many friends with me in Linguapolis. And they are… of hideous [different] nationalities.

[i] Different.

[r] Different. Okay. I have many friends. And they are of different nationalities.

[i] Yes. Nationalities.

Yes…And… I have friends from Latin America. I have Russian friends. Yes. I’m doing well.

[i] And what else are you doing in Linguapolis? Are there any other activities?

[r] Yes… In Linguapolis, we still have Taalmaat friends. And… To help us with Dutch. And we do something together almost every month. And we have good time together. And they are very friendly and… And they always want to help us.

[i] And from which countries are the Language Mates?

[r] Different. You can find Belgian, Russian, Latin people there. And it is very interesting.

[i] And this project ”Language Measurement”. What is the purpose of this project? The intention.

[r] I don’t know.

[i] To improve your Dutch? Why do you meet with Belgian people?

[r] Yes. In order to… To be able to speak better Dutch. And maybe…er… with the culture something… No, not with the culture.

[i] Yes, to get to know the culture of Belgian people.

Yes…you can… learn something about the culture of Belgian people. And… You can visit a museum. Or something…

[i] And what activities have you already done?

[r] Yes… Lunch together. We started playing games. Or?

[i] The laser shots?

[r] Yes… We started playing laser shots together.

Yes, that’s good.

[r] We started playing laser shots together. And we had a good time together.

[i] And do you think this project will help you to improve your Dutch?

[r] Yes, it does. You can practice your Dutch. And with…er… and talking to friends is a little different from talking to your teacher. You can always make mistakes and it is normal with your friends. But with your teacher you always have to say it correctly.

[i] And do you think that the language is important to live in Belgium?

[r] Yes, it is. The language is very important. But you can’t always use Dutch when you leave Flanders. In Brussels, you should definitely… In Brussels, you definitely need to speak some French. Or you can speak your… If you don’t speak French, you have to speak English. But not Dutch. And in Wallonia too.

[i] And do you also speak French?

[r] No. I don’t speak French.

[i] But do you intend to learn a little French?

[r] No. Dutch is enough.

[i] And can you perhaps tell us a little about the impact of the flight on your life? What do you think is the biggest impact of the flight?

[r] Mmm…

[i] I mean did something change in your personality or in your character after the flight?

[r] Yes…after the flight… I started to respect my time more. And… I also take more care of my family. And… I’ve changed my study direction… And…a new language is always interesting to learn. And to communicate with people. And… And other things. Other life.

[i] And do you have so many reminders of the flight and of the whole situation? Do you often think about the flight so far?

[r] No. Not too much. But I think it is positive. To come here.

[i] Why?

[r] Yes. A different culture, a different language, different people and… Everything is new here. And you can start something new. You can start a new life. And…it’s good for me. Because I’m young. And I can start a new life.

[i] And your parents? Do you think they can start a new life too?

[r] For my parents is… it’s different. They usually think about us. Not about their personal lives.

[i] So their priorities are you?


And yes… If you had a choice to go back to Syria you would do that or not?

[r] Yeah for sure. I want that. But now I have started the new life. I can’t leave everything behind. And maybe… About my… Maybe after I graduate I’ll think about it. About something to do in Syria. Or here in Belgium. But now I don’t know.

[i] And at the moment what is the situation in Syria now?

[r] ”I don’t want to speak about it.”

[i] No? Okay. But is it possible for you to go back now?

[r] No. It is not possible.

And yes… If in the future you will have children with what values and stories will you raise them? With Syrian values or with Belgian values? Or which values are the most important for you?

[r] Ah. The second one I think. In Syria I had my childhood and here I have my own… years of study and other things. No. In Syria I had my childhood and here I have my future. So the second one is more important to me. But what are these values for you? Things that are important in life.

[r] In life? Respecting people.

[i] Respecting people?

[r] To respect people. Respecting people and studying. And have a good job. And do something for your community. Yes. Something positive.

[i] By community you mean the country or the city?

[r] Everything. If you can do something positive, you can do anything. If you can do something positive then do it.

[i] And for example, what could be an example?

[r] Ah… “‘What is volunteering in Dutch?”

[i] Volunteering. Volunteer.

[r] Volunteer?

Yes. Volunteer.

[r] Yes. Volunteer…[laughs] Volunteer. Volunteer. Okay. Volunteer. Or… Something for the city. With the old people. Or with the children.

[i] And have you had any experience with it?

[r] No. I have no experience with it.

[i] But if you get a chance then what kind of volunteer work would you do?

[r] With the children. Or… I usually think with the children.

[i] And why with the children?

[r] Yes. Children… Invite?

[i] Need.

[r] Children have more… need care. They will… in the…

[i] In the future?

[r] They will be the most important in the future.

[i] Ok. And you said that work and carrier is very important and why do you think carrier is so important?

[r] Your work and your carrier is so important because… it’s a… difference… ”No. It’s like… “It creates your personality.

[i] To build up your personality.

[r] To build up? Yes. Okay. Working…no carrier. [Laughs]

Yeah. Work or carrier.

[r] [laughs] The work helps you to build your personality. And… Maybe to become a better person.

And in your family everyone works or not?

[r] Not yet. But they will work.

[i] And is the value to work important in your family? For example, for your mother it is important to work?

[r] For my mother… it’s not very important. But for us it is very important. For my father and my sister. And for me.

[i] What job does your father do?

[r] ”How can I say that? In Syria he was something for the city.”’

Eh in government? Or civil servant?

[r] Government?

[i] What do you mean exactly?

[r] He worked in the church.

[i] Such a civil servant.

[r] Civil servant? Civil servant. Okay. My father worked as a civil servant. And… Yes.

[i] Ok. And… How did you take these values that it’s important to work and make a career?

[r] To have a good life.

[i] Yes, but where does that come from in you?

[r] Where…

[i] Where did you learn that?

[r] From my father and mother as well.

[i] And is it normal for women to work in Syria as well?

[r] Yes it is normal.

[i] So mostly women work in Syria?

[r] Not in the past but now most women work.

[i] Ok. And maybe you can tell us a bit about your future plans? Here in Belgium.

[r] Ok. In the future, after graduating, I hope that after graduating… I will work with children and maybe with Human Rughts too or something… or volunteering….

[i] And… Why are human rights important to you?

[r] Ah… Because they help people… And… That’s all. That is good to do.

[i] Yes. And maybe you can tell us a little about your passion? Is there something you love to do and that makes you very happy?

[r] Yes. I listen a lot to music. A lot. Music is very important in life. Music can’t do anything bad. You can do it…music… Music can make you feel better. And it can… It can make you happy. Or can you always dance or… or feel good. And I usually listen to Metallica. And I’m a super fan of Metallica. I love the band and this kind of music and guitar.

[i] And why do you like Metallica so much?

[r] They make me feel good. And I also listen to Dutch music. No, not Dutch…

[i] Dutch? In Dutch.

[r] Yes. I also listen to the music in Dutch. For example, Lil Kleine. And he makes beautiful kind of music. Yes and… music can also help you to practice the language. You can learn from the music. And… in an easy way. No not easily gone… In an easy way. So yes music can help you to learn the language in an easy way.

[i] And can you understand the lyrics of Lil Kleine a bit?

[r] Yes…[laughs] not everything. But… Lil Kleine is interesting to me. And I usually listen to the lyrics. And I certainly can’t understand the all words. But most of the time I can understand it. I can understand and I can sing.

[i] And what are his songs about?

[r] Ah. About women. Usually.

[i] About love?

[r] Yes.

[i] And…you also said that you love languages. And why are languages so important to you? And can you perhaps tell a little more?

[r] Yes. I think that… I think a language helps you to see the world. Or a language helps you with the… it gives you some kind of idea about the world. It’s… It’s always… It’s always great ”nice”…[laughs] It’s always great fun when you can communicate with people. And maybe help with something or something. Helping with the way or something. ”Get over there…”’ Or so.

[i] Showing the way.

[r] To tell the way. Yes. It is also a great help for people. Or helping a person who doesn’t know his way. It may be very small for you, but for the others it may be very helpful. And you can… Tell them or… helping with his way. To say something. And it’s fun.

[i] And what languages do you still want to learn?

[r] I definitely want to learn Russian and Spanish.

[i] And why these 2 languages?

[r] Yes, I do… that they are interesting. And I have Russian friends. And… When I listen to Russian, I feel very curious ”What are they saying?” [laughs]

And Spanish?

Yes Spanish is the largest language in the world. And it is very interesting. And… So yes. So Spanish is the biggest language in the world.

[i] Ok. And I asked you to bring a precious object that is special to you. Which object did you bring with you and can you tell me a little why this object is so important to you?

[r] Yes. I brought this object with me.

Could you show a little closer, please?

[r] Yes so… So the girl here is my best friend. And I’ve had nice time with her. At school and at the University as well. We have been together for the last 7 years. And she is… the… Like the closest?

[i] Best friend? Very close friend?

[r] Yes. And she is a very close friend of mine.

[i] And did she make that for you?

[r] Yes. Before I left for Belgium.

[r] Souvenir.

Like a farewell present?

[r] Yes.

[i] And in what places are you in the pictures?

[r] Yes… This is at school. And this and this is next to my house. But we also have many other pictures together.

[i] And have you been best friends so far?

[r] Yes, I am. We talk almost every day. About everything.

[i] And what does she do? Is she still in Syria?

[r] Yes she is still in Syria and with her family.

[i] And would you like her to come here?

[r] Yes sure! Yes it is always very nice to have your best friend close to you.

[i] Ok. And the last question. Maybe you can tell what’s most important in Syrian culture that you would like to take with you? And happy to have you? And what is very nice in Belgian culture that you would like to learn?

[r] Yes. With the Syrian culture… What I want to take with me for the rest of my life is to take care of my family. And free time or… And having free time to do something fun together. Without work or without… Like something that you have to do” Ok. Just a moment.

[i] It’s good.

[r] Ah… From the Syrian culture eh… the most?

[i] The most important?

[r] Of the Belgian… [laughs] Of the Syrian culture, the most important thing I want to take with me is to take care of my family. And to have free time to communicate with friends. But the Belgian culture is definitely to have a job. And to respect time. And respect your appointments. And… And I think it’s everything.

[i] Ok [name] . Thank you so much for the interview. It has been very interesting. And I wish you good luck with your studies and with your future, your carrier and everything.

[r] Ok. Thank you very much.

[i] Yes. Thank you very much.