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[i] Welcome, Madame [Name], [name] Is my name. I am a field worker for our projects, Specially Unknown. We are very happy to have with us today and we are all very excited about your life story and you have the floor.
[r] So hello, mine Name is [name], I am married and I still live in Herne, I come from Guinea, I am 23 Years old and yes. Thank you very much. It is about your life story, which you have been remembering so far. You can determine the order yourself. We can start from childhood, the reasons for escape and experiences that you have gained here. Yes, they are free. So, from childhood in Guinea I live with my mother. Actually, I have a brother, a big brother and my father always worked in Masanta. This is a village in Guinea, so until I think he worked there until 2012 and that’s why we lived with my mother and yes … We were completely satisfied and he always came to … Sometimes he also had a vacation and came at home for a month or two and yes to school we are also in Guinea in … So my school is called St. Therese and then later I was in Sainte-Marie. There were everything Private schools and … yes.
[i] The primary school? What is the name of the primary school?
[r] St. Therese.
[i] St. Therese?
[r] Exactly.
[i] Okay. And where? In which city?
[r] In Conakry. This is actually the capital of Guinea.
[i] Guinea. West Africa. Yes. And guinea, Conakry has … in which municipality does it belong?
[r] In Rat … my school?
[i] Yes.
[r] Yes, in Rathoma. In Bambeto actually it was.
[i] Can you tell us about your parents? Profession … what were they? What job do they have?
[r] Yes, my parents were both officials. So my father has at Tax office worked and my mother at something as well as the tax office actually both there Have studied economy. And yes, my brother was like me. And yes.
[i] You are telling about Her brother. How many are you?
[r] I have a brother.
[i] Okay.
[r] A big brother. He currently still lives in France.
[i] And two? I have…
[r] I have a brother.
[i] Just a brother?
[r] Yes, exactly.
[i] Okay. Yes, nice. And theirs Family? Where do they live today?
[r] Oh, my mother is still in Guinea. And my father too. And my brother currently lives in France, in Strasbourg.
[i] Yes, maybe on your childhood. Can you tell us something?
[r] Yes. As I said, we were with my mother, so my brother and me. And my mother is one … so she was very nice. And there we lived together. In the morning it was the case that we just went to school and my mother to work. And then in the evening she picked us up and then we were actually at home. And it was always so nice times with her. I love to love my mother. We were always together. Always, always. People even said that she was my sister or something. And yes, everyone was even afraid that when I get married, that I would go to my husband with her. So, yes. And my brother, he left Guinea early. In 2008 he flew in France. He was 18 or even 17, I think. And he studied there. And then I stayed in Guinea with my mother. When my brother flew to France, then my mother and I was of course very sad. And we always thought Yes, he will come right away. We even sometimes forget that he was gone. And when I follow Germany should fly, so I was so afraid that my mother would stay alone. And yes, we were very close to ourselves. So, my mother and me.
[i] Your brother, how is that feeling? Did you spend the school together? So, I mean, school together or how was the relationship with your own brother individually?
[r] yes, so mine Brother, he loves me very much. He always said that I was so small. Even if I did something, he also said to my mother No, so don’t scream you. Come to me, please, you can even beat me. But do nothing to her, she is so small. And he is also very nice. And we were in the same school early. And later he was in Hamdallaye Secondaire this school is called. And then I in Sainte-Marie.
[i] That is this type of further School, after primary school.
[r] Exactly.
[i] So your schools were then separated.
[r] Exactly.
[i] And at home, how is that?
[r] So at home …
[i] By him I mean with her brother.
[r] Ah, with my brother. Usually always say that … So, brothers and Sisters always argue … But there were also small arguments with my brother. So, that’s normal. But otherwise he was even my sister, my brother. He was everything for me. And always protected me. And always loved. And everything was very great at home. It was just great. I still miss that.
[i] We saw from the family, they grew up very protected.
[r] Yes.
[i] And friends outside the family?
[r] So, I only had friends … So, the children of mine Neighbors were my friends. And I also had friends to school. So, yes. I’ve already had two or three. We were actually in Bambeto. But there were four families. And they all had daughters who too … We had the same age. That’s why we were friends. So, from childhood we are still friends.
[i] And leisure? How did you have that Free time spent?
[r] Films. A lot of films.
[i] Oh good.
[r] And …
[i] watched far.
[r] Exactly. And when I was still a child I danced a lot for school. Also at home. Every Saturday. Maybe know You this show. It is called parade. There was 30 minutes every Saturday. Music. And I danced on all music. Just 30 minutes everyone Danced on Saturday without a break.
[i] Sport.
[r] Yes. Exactly. And for school too. So, it was like … on End … every year we had such a … Let’s say a party for all students. And everyone who had good grades. And there we had many Activities made. Theater, dance and such. And I always danced there. Even if I didn’t want to. Then I always said mine Teacher, you have to dance. You can. You just do it.
[i] Okay. Michael Jackson did not die. He continues.
[r] I would not say that But … yes, actually.
[i] Okay. Maybe favorite places too?
[r] In Guinea?
[i] Yes.
[r] So in Guinea … So, I’ll say something else Which shocked me a bit. Last time a friend … A friend asked about me here. So where do you come from? I said Guinea. He googled and only has … saw very ugly houses. But I wanted to say that there are such beautiful places in Guinea. And… Yes. I was always in Conakry … There is a garden where there is any playground for children. And that means “2 octobre” Actually a date. But that’s how it means. Next to… That is in … What is that called? Dixinn, I think. So, we just say in the city. En ville. That’s how that means. And means October 2. October October actually.
[i] Jardin October 2?
[r] Exactly.
[i] Okay.
[r] And there …
[i] The garden from October 2.
[r] Yes, so I said. Yes, exactly. And there I was often with my mother and played. Otherwise I liked too Stay home with my mother. Yes.
[i] You have over Your mother tells.
[r] Yes.
[i] What about the grandparents? Unfortunately, they had already died when I was born. I only had my grandfather, So the father of my mother. And he was in the village. In the village in Gawal actually. And there I was always, sometimes two or three times like that, on vacation. I drove there. And yes, spent very nice time with him and he has left us now.
[i] Yes, usually you always say to the grandpa.
[r] Yes.
[i] My husband.
[r] He was my husband, right?
[i] Your sweetheart.
[r] Exactly.
[i] He was also very nice.
[r] Yes, and he always said to me when young people say, come with me, we should go out and they say no. If they give you money, take it.
[i] Is there something he did from that Place, told about the experiences?
[r] So my grandfather? Yes, actually. So always for religion. He was very religious. And always something, you always have to pray and everything about the Koran or he always liked, that we read together. And he always woke me up a lot so that I then go praying. And it was always that religion, what of When he was in Mecca, what does that mean in German? Yes, exactly. He had always told about it and always the Koran. Always, again, always.
[i] Yes. You have from the Koran and religion. To what extent does religion play in education? And has religion in the Education played? What role?
[r] Yes, exactly. A very important role. So that was always the job of my father. He always called, were you to the Koranian school today? And yes, he was always like that. We always had to go there. We had to pray. We had to, so my mother was always to work. And she had taken care of the school. And my father actually for religion and Koranian school and praying.
[i] They said they were in the School. And they had teachers.
[r] Yes.
[i] Gave the lessons, but in the Koran school. You also have Koran teachers.
[r] Yes, exactly.
[i] you can then one Make a comparison to the school? The way you were recorded, i.e. the upbringing, pedagogy when you have told something about it. So very strict. They were very strict. You always had to learn and memorize it first. And sometimes also writing in Arabic. So you should write yourself what you read. But that was also the cubes. In the beginning you always have to learn the alphabet, so to speak. And then words. And then let’s say sentences again now. And then learn to write. And sometimes they also beaten if you haven’t learned by heart. That was in Koran School. Actually at school it was almost like that, they beat and punished us, If we haven’t learned well. Or if it should be memorized or punished or punished.
[i] punished, yes?
[r] Exactly. And for example in 9th grade … I had one French teacher. Then I have one Mistake made. I had a very good grade. When we wrote the first exam, I would have only had 0. Not a good grade at all. But then it was very strict and great. He always hit me When I wasn’t to school. He always asked where is [name]. My friends said she is sick or she is not there. And when I came, he always asked, where were you? No, I wasn’t there. I had forgotten that we should come today. We even had to go to school on vacation. And since I wasn’t he struck me. And I was always afraid to tell my mother. Then she would not have allowed that. That’s why it was very strict. But there were also teachers who were nice.
[i] I hear that one Experienced things that you never pass on. But the parents were not experienced.
[r] No, no, no. My mother is so that she lives us and protects us so that if she had experienced it, she would have, I don’t know what to do with my teacher. Honest. That’s why I didn’t tell anything.
[i] In retrospect, you are happy that you didn’t tell that?
[r] Since I am now doing French well and write without mistakes? I say it was not okay to learn the way he may have forced us with. But if I had told my mother, maybe she would have … no idea… If she had complained to the judiciary or the police and would have had problems. So now I tell myself that I … It was good that I didn’t say anything.
[i] Is that maybe something that many young people take? You are afraid that it is too Problems gives and concludes not to say anything. As a solution.
[r] Yes, we were three. So I and two other friends of mine. We had at this Exam a good grade. And it was like that that at the break that we, if we after afterwards Had French, even not eaten. We were always reading. We were always afraid that he asks us something. And that we don’t know. And that then he’s bad again … Or I don’t know, does something bad. And everyone was afraid of him. But nobody told it. So once a friend of us also complained to other teachers. And he was there. Then these teachers asked him, why are you doing that? He said no, I never do it again. Then he came to us and he said I said there I couldn’t hit her anymore, but I still do it. If you say again, I’ll say again that I don’t do it at all. But I say I still hit her. So we couldn’t end at all.
[i] This is the French teacher.
[r] Yes, the ninth grade.
[i] Okay. Do you have a memory of the teachers where you can say …
[r] Yes, very many. Yes, so at Sport, for example. Are we always Sometimes not always left outside of school. In such beautiful places, to do sports. Sometimes we ran all the way. And there were also teachers who always gave us something when we have a nice one Have a grade, have a good grade. Or the beautiful one too Have told stories. For example mine History teacher. He has now left us too. But he was great. He always has so beautiful Stories told. And that was super nice.
[i] You mean he died?
[r] Yes. Unfortunately.
[i] God bless it. OK. Yes, we were at school. Neighborhood.
[r] At school or at home?
[i] A little free.
[r] Yes. So at school, I had … So in primary school it was so quiet that I don’t Word said. And I had never spoken to boys. Only with mine Maybe or so. But then, the level afterwards, what’s the name of here again? After primary school.
[i] Yes, that’s the … That is the secondary school.
[r] Yes, exactly.
[i] Depending on, here it is from the system. This is the high school. Well, school, comprehensive school.
[r] Yes, I think high school, Then we could say. I had other friends now. They all grew up. And then they had forced me to speak. They were always there. They had always asked me. And… I maybe took my things that way so that I then say, yes, Give me back and so. And then I was always speaking Always dancing, always playing. And I still have these friends. We are still friends. And it was really nice. And at home too. As I said, I also had these daughters from my neighbors as friends. So that was actually like a second family for me. I was always there with that. Or with the others. It was super nice.
[i] In primary school, they said, as I understood it, very quietly. Holding very with pressure.
[r] Exactly.
[i] And what do they have Then said classmate? Do you have any Get print report?
[r] No. So what I was interested in, only school, only Learning, only cultural grades. And that was it for me.
[i] But the time, how was the time for you? The primary school?
[r] Completely, let’s say, strange. I always wanted to go to my brother. And he was always there. No, I’m now none A idea, no longer a child. You also have to find your friends. And some even called me according to his name. His name is Boy. And they always said, boy. I said no, I am not. Yes, but I don’t know what you are called. I always call you that.
[i] Okay. And then in the Further training or high school, have more opened? Exactly, as I said, I was always dancing. And as a result, many got to know me. And I was always in everyone Activities at school. And yes, I was open. Had more friends. And yes, it was nice.
[i] Was there an occasion? Or why on the Are you enthusiastic about dancing? Or was there any activity beforehand where they practiced beforehand and then suddenly this one Have discovered dance? Or how did it come?
[r] No, so I’ve always done dancing. I have from this The broadcast is told. And that was three or five so since I thought. That was very early. I started dancing. I like to dance. I still like it. But unfortunately I don’t have time for it now.
[i] Okay. Yes, that’s … You then have nice … So this time in high school …
[r] was nice. With friends. With good teachers. And good activities. A lot. A lot to do. Everything is good at home. And yes, that was super nice.
[i] Okay. There was any Event where you say, oh, did that happen at that time?
[r] When I was still small?
[i] From school or high school?
[r] So primary school … There was for Example a friend who was very bad to us. He ate everything What we brought with us. Or take our money. And he was older than everyone else. And once, I think, he struck me. And that was the only time that the director saw me. And he said What are you doing here? And then I complained. But I just started to speak. Then I was afraid that he again … That he finds me there and then knows that I said everything. That’s why I left. Then he even took stones and thrown on me. And I just went home. But after that he didn’t do anything with me. Then I only have mine Girlfriend and all other people. He was very mean.
[i] Yes, you also have such experiences. That happened in high school or in primary school?
[r] primary school. Exactly. I was very quiet. That’s why, I think he did it.
[i] Your everyday life. How did it work in the family?
[r] Ah, in the morning … I didn’t make breakfast. Since I always Had abdominal pain. So I always got up. And then I finished. Then… So primary school was at home in the same neighborhood. I could go alone or with my brother. But then … yes. Then to school and then back home in the evening. Learn a little. After that … then to Koran school again. And then at home. And then sleep. That was actually that.
[i] Koran School. What times, if you get up in the morning, then to school?
[r] I think that was around 4 p.m., 5 p.m. Until then 7 p.m.
[i] In the evening. If it’s time to go to bed. Or the time with the parents at home. Yes.
[r] So I …
[i] How did you do that?
[r] In the evening. I had my own room. But I almost never slept there. I was always in My mother’s room. I slept there. And there was one every Friday Prize where the stories have told. “Compte et legend”. Tali, says Fulak. Exactly. And I always heard that with my mother. And then we slept and then again in the morning to school, you to work and again at home in the evening, Koran school and then sleep again.
[i] This means that this man who has told this story, according to many, except for Fula, from Wiener yes, say that in the evening the parents mostly told the tasks.
[r] Exactly.
[i] To just there something about the History to experience culture.
[r] But since my mother is not actually in a fulan or … So she has somewhere in one City lived with her sister, but no fula was spoken there, so she didn’t know such stories on Fula. She has Maninka … So she knew some, but also Maninka. And I speak Fula, so she couldn’t tell her. And there was this show and there they also told Fula, so we heard that.
[i] Yes, there is still Conflict resolution when there was. How was that? How do you have such a solution or at least … Yes, what approach did you choose?
[r] I don’t see conflict resolution in my brother either, right?
[i] For example, i.e. in society, How did they perceive it themselves? What is it like when two get one of them? And how do you have such a solution?
[r] No, the parents are very strict, right? If you can’t do something … Then you can’t do that. If you do that anyway, you will be beaten or punished in any case. And since we knew that, we have few Things we shouldn’t do.
[i] And at school? How, if Conflicts or with friends? If there was a misunderstanding, how were they clarified?
[r] I actually had no problems with friends. Yes, were always very happy and always together. Therefore, there were no conflicts.
[i] Yes, now to society. How can you society The environment where they grew up, how can you describe it to us? How were the people there? So everyone was nice. In the morning everything came. At the weekend, for example, I had to go to the market to buy things, So that we can then cook. And then I had to mine Neighbors because the way was. And everyone said hello. And everyone was always so satisfied. That’s why there was one Problem for me in Germany. So, it is always the case that when you meet someone else, you have to say hello. And we said hello If there is a ceremony or some event to someone, then all neighbors come and help to cook and do all things. And if a child makes something bad, for example, when a neighbor sees it, he can punish or say, You have to stop immediately. And the child hears too. He knows that not his Parents are, but he hears too. Let’s say everyone is like a family. That’s why we sometimes say he is my brother or she is my sister. But that’s not the case. She is just a neighbor. But… It’s like a big one Family, actually.
[i] Okay, that was … and maybe I want you to explain more to us. They get up tomorrow. When you go on the way, see how You, whether that entertain, what do people do? Describe this to us when that works. So, in the morning in elementary school …
[i] on the way there.
[r] Yes, on the way. I always met friends from school. And also my neighbors. And as I said, we always said hello. Hey, hello. Even if people know something there, they still ask. Do you go to school? And I say yes. And yes, I also meet friends. And hello, then we go together. And so we are a group in the end. And we all arrive at school together. And yes, let’s go in. And sometimes we actually eat together in the morning. Since there is also a woman there who sold something. So rice. Sometimes we had eaten there before we go to school.
[i] Are there any uniforms in school? Or should everyone wear something? I mean, there are no uniforms here in Germany. How is that there?
[r] But there is something like that in Guinea. And you definitely have to wear. And my school was a Catholic school. This means that you cannot wear this uniform as you want. For example, shorter skirts or shorter clothes were not allowed. You shouldn’t wear that. It had to be long. And yes, look nice too. Conakry does a lot. You lived in Bambeto. And bambeto is very famous. What does bambeto call you?
[r] What is Bambeto for me?
[i] or what is Bambeto? Describe us bambeto.
[r] Bambeto is somewhere, so one District where many people who are fula live. So there is only Fula spoken.
[i] mostly?
[r] Yes, exactly. And it’s very friendly and pretty. But lately, for political reasons, If there are always steps or wars, let’s say. So there, since people always complain and they not only complain orally, also Bring stones on the street and then say that there should be no traffic, for example. Then that everyone should stay at home and that nobody is allowed to drive on the street. That’s why it’s so famous. And that everyone says that there are so many problems there. But otherwise it’s really nice. This is my home and everyone People are actually really nice. That’s why we sometimes ask ourselves who these people are on the street. So these problems, we don’t know So how we came about.
[i] That means Bambito is very famous for resistance.
[r] Yes.
[i] the contrary to the government. That means that the people from Bambito are a meeting for resistance. Because you do a lot. It is said because it is the Liberté.
[r] Exactly.
[i] Sayings about Bambito.
[r] Yes, actually, in the beginning, many have there, let’s say their feelings. Or their injuries there. Or they demonstrated on the street. They said no, We don’t want that or that. But sometimes it is the case that these people are not on the street at all. And we see other people. So that means that everyone who also wants to complain come in Bambito. And yes, demonstrate there too. That means it’s not just people who Bambito come, but everyone else. Somehow say, yes, it’s like a Meeting point, as you just said.
[i] Okay. Yes. And then it went on. Elementary school, high school.
[r] And I changed my school. So from St. Therese to Sainte-Marie. This is also a … Catholic school. And I was completely new. And without friends. And yes, but that didn’t take long. I found friends there. And it was also nice to study there too. So go school.
[i] That is from the seventh to …
[r] No, that is from the eleventh to the Abitur.
[i] Yes, that was a high school. Until the Abitur.
[r] Exactly.
[i] In Bambito, right? So that is in Dixinn.
[i] Dixinn?
[r] Exactly.
[i] Okay. This is a district. This is also a municipality, isn’t it?
[r] Exactly.
[i] Dixinn, okay.
[r] Exactly.
[i] That means they came from Ratoma?
[r] Yes, after Dixinn. And I always drove with my mother. Since she also works that way, she always had to leave me there and then picked up in the evening.
[i] And on the Return, how did it go there? Did she pick her up again?
[r] Exactly. I was waiting for her there. And if I didn’t feel like it Then I always had a taxi. Because sometimes she has to work longer and I didn’t want to wait. That’s why I took a taxi.
[i] Yes. And then you have your Abitur.
[r] Yes. And then the university starts.
[i] What kind of Abitur is that? What do you think and how did you celebrate it? Do you have memories?
[r] Yes. So I was with my friends and we all passed. And that’s why my parents were there. My parents, my girlfriend, the parents of my girlfriend are all satisfied. And yes, then let’s say, somehow celebrated at home. Not done a party, but everyone was together and satisfied. Then we ate and that’s how it went. Not a big deal.
[i] Okay. Yes. And then they were …
[r] with the university.
[i] They had theirs Ripe test behind it.
[r] Please?
[i] Matural examination, So that’s Abitur. How did it go on? The university started. There I also studied economy, finance in a private university, which is called UNC. University of Nongo Conakry. And yes, until then … So three years. And I still had a bachelor’s degree.
[i] Yes.
[r] And afterwards … I already knew that … So it is that the … Studying in Guinea is not that good. And so valuable. That’s why I wanted to go on. So first I thought my master. And then when I then in Arrived Germany, then I had told myself Okay, I’m in Germany now. And there were many Things I did that I couldn’t go directly to the university. And I didn’t want to Stay home and wait. And that’s why I started studying computer science. And then it went on like this. Excuse me.
[i] Computer science in Germany.
[r] Exactly.
[i] Okay. But… At some point they decided or were put on plans to get to Germany. Or somewhere in Study abroad that can complete your studies abroad. Which people do you have … Have you campaigned for you?
[r] My mother again. She did everything. She financed. She just did everything. I support me with everyone Things we should do. Always for the embassy process or the language course or the waiting. She always gave me help. She always said, yes, wait Your visa is still coming. I actually wanted Learn English. And I wanted to go to Ghana because we speak French in Guinea. And in Ghana it is quite good to learn English. Since they already speak English there You can also master. And she always said that I should still wait for my visa because when I go to Ghana, Then the Maybe call the message and then give me an appointment So that we can talk. So still for the visa. And yes, then I waited and then it happened. Then I have mine Get visa.
[i] That means, in parallel with the There was also this application for the visa to Germany Alternative Ghana now, right?
[r] Exactly.
[i] And then at some point the positive news came that it is all okay, that they then have a visa.
[r] Yes, exactly.
[i] Can you … So that was a big surprise. I had already started to do an internship. So honestly, I had lost hope. I thought, okay, I stay in Guinea. I actually liked my life in Guinea, so it wasn’t that Must fly to Germany. And I just wanted to mean Make a master and study. That’s why I have completely different Starting things. We even started To make a series, turn. Since I too, as I said, Films love and acting is actually my hobby. And one day I was called. Hello, yes, woman [name]. Yes, exactly. So you have a … So they wanted a visa. They wanted to go to Germany. And then you spoke like this. I said yes. And I was told I had to go to the message. I wondered why? Since I already have all the papers or documents, that they needed, had already given up. And then I arrived and they told me that they were doing a study. There is that you have already learned that there are people there who were already corrupt and who did all things that people stay there again, who have ever had a visa. That was my case. I already had one Visa for three months. And that was just hidden to say somehow. And then the ambassador asked me why are you still there? I said I don’t know. Nobody told me that I have a visa. And he even asked me if you might want to have money from me or something. I said no. I don’t know why. He said, maybe you also wait for me to lose even more hope so that you can do a lot Could get money from me. I said okay. And then he said I can do that today. I meant what? Yes, you can Have visa today. I just need that. You only need that and that and that and that. And then we do it. And it was always the case that people, I think I got such a visa on Fridays. And that was a Wednesday. So I never thought that it was possible during the day. And then, around four like this, they called me again. And they said They should come. Then I came. Then they gave me my visa. And then I drove to my mother. She was at work. That was actually next door. And then, I told her I have my visa. And she said, please that can’t be. Not today. And I said, yes, have a look. And everyone at work was so satisfied. They all knew me because we sometimes drove together. I had helped her Because there is a lot of traffic jams there. Sometimes I had helped her. And everyone was completely satisfied. But then when we drove home, I was already completely … I didn’t want to go to Germany anymore. I didn’t want mine Leave the mother alone. I didn’t really want to. And she said no, you just go to study and then you will come back. And then she was surprised.
[i] That is, the Feelings did not come up.
[r] Then we are a day, At which I should fly, we drove together at the airport. With all my friends. That was so full. And usually, the companions should have a control … They were not allowed in. But my mother did everything. She said my daughter … so I only have this day with my daughter. I have to stay with her until she ends up on the plane. Then we went in together. And she said we shouldn’t cry. It should actually … So we should be satisfied. That’s why … yes. But still we cried. Too much cried. But then I actually had to go So that I don’t miss my flight. And then I flew. But after that we talked again every day. And yes.
[i] And the farewell was for her …
[r] very difficult. I was always with my mother. Even when I go to my grandmother somewhere during the holidays, So the sister of my mother drove, she always said You have to go back. I was never more than one Week somewhere else.
[i] without them.
[r] Without my mother. I always had to go back. Sometimes a month was planned, two months. But we weren’t always at home a week later. That’s why it was very difficult to leave them. And to know that maybe we So don’t actually see a year minimally. Fortunately, I wasn’t alone in Germany. I came here Have a friend of mine with whom I was in this Catholic school. So Sainte Marie. I found it here. And she was alone. And she was very satisfied to see me. And then … She already had Found friends here. That’s why it was at home for me. I didn’t feel alone and always spoke to my mother. Because of this…
[i] there were souvenirs what Got you from your mother? Maybe present for us or maybe somewhere behind … Have lost somewhere?
[r] Yes, so she had given me a scarf. I think that … She had her in Morocco or I no longer know which country bought. In Guinea she never has one pullover or something worn. If it … sometimes it was a bit cool in Guinea. She always wore that and then again in the closet. And she gave me that. I meant like that, yes, you have to keep it. You only have that here for If it’s a bit cool. Then I always said … She told me no. You have to have this from me. So I’m always with you when you have that. Then… Yes, but unfortunately someone took it at home. I don’t have that anymore. But I still have another … I don’t know exactly what that means. Somehow an Eger you wear from her. And I still have that at home and I wear that. In the beginning I even slept with it. So that I then feel that she is next to me. Because we always slept like this.
[i] And she probably has … Did she tell you that she also got something from her parents? As a sign of woundness?
[r] Yes. So she has hers Mother lost. And she has her … So somehow a scarf with which she prays from her. And that was almost 25 years ago. And she has that Still piece. And she still prays with it. And when I was also in Guinea, I also prayed with it. And I know at some point I’ll get that too.
[i] And the part, the piece, that you have lost now. Is there a way to get that again?
[r] Yes, I wanted to get that because I … So it was somehow like my mother for me. But then… That still has an aunt of me. And she took that for her baby. That’s why my husband said that I have now married, here in Germany. My husband told me that I … So should leave. So because they are for that Baby took. It should also be well used. That should stay that way.
[i] I’ll come back to that. On the young man.
[r] Yes.
[i] How you got to know him.
[r] Exactly.
[i] Okay. [name], came They in Germany. Your first impression.
[r] So in Germany. First of all … that was already at the airport. I wanted mine Get luggage out. I didn’t first know that the door was closed when you go out. I’m just … I had three suitcases and such. I am before … I was like that. Then I have one Take piece. I went out with it. And then I’m back. Then the door didn’t want to open anymore. And I had to wait that someone was coming. So that I can go in. And take my luggage again. And then to me … A woman has come. And she told me that I am not allowed in. I tried to explain that my things are in there again. But she didn’t want to understand that. Then I just went in. And… There was also … I think security. And they said to me that I again … Throw some coin. So that I then have one Can get car. So that I can pack all things and go out. But I didn’t know How the whole thing works. It was actually like another world for me. There were only things that I didn’t know. And that was actually … stunning. And… Trains. Buses. I didn’t know how to take it. How to go here or here. I couldn’t even notice where I was. But as I said … So the girlfriend of mine Girlfriend had … showed me everything. And… Yes. Later I could do everything. But at the beginning it was … Not so easy.
[i] Okay. What was the feeling that day? At the airport.
[r] Yes.
[i] Conakry. You say goodbye
[r] Yes.
[i] And rise.
[r] Yes. And I … Excuse me. I think what helped me is That I met a friend of mine who should also fly to America. But we had the same plane. First she had to go to Paris and from Paris to America. And I also got me … I also switched. And she did everything. She helped me. And she gave me … She didn’t leave me alone either. That’s why I didn’t have one Time to think. I had always told things so that I laugh. She always said yes, You don’t know that. Come on, I’ll show you how to do it. Come on. And… Yes, that’s why I didn’t stay there To cry and think of my mother. Yes.
[i] Such a distraction for you.
[r] Exactly.
[i] What’s it called?
[r] It is called [name]. She lives in America. But which city, I don’t know anymore.
[i] now. A message for [name]. What you did for you. Know the word. Direct a few words.
[r] So she already knows That I was very satisfied to see her first because she was in America. And I say Yes, thanks for everything.
[i] Yes, dear [name], Did you hear. Yes, okay. And then on the plane. That means it was one Distraction in clouds. Was that during the day or at night? When was the flight, the departure?
[r] I think 18 or so we are … The departure was 6 p.m.
[i] In Conakry?
[r] Exactly.
[i] Is everything still bright?
[r] Yes. A little bit. Yes, bright. It’s easy in Guinea ..
[i] What’s the feeling? Did you sit at the window? Or outside? And could you see nothing?
[r] No. I couldn’t do much. So, I think no. So, departure was … we should at 6 p.m. at the airport. But then downhill, I think so around 8 p.m. That’s why it was very dark and we couldn’t see anything outside.
[i] There was no light in Conakry? No electricity?
[r] not that much.
[i] Yes. OK. Then we are from Conakry after …
[r] to Paris.
[i] to Paris.
[r] Yes.
[i] Are we around 8 p.m.
[r] 5 a.m. Arrived, right?
[r] Exactly. In Paris. And there I had to wait again by 3 p.m. because I didn’t know how it was all. Unfortunately we hadn’t looked very well on my ticket either. We didn’t know … I usually worried … yes. … that I only have two hours of switching, But since my ticket was changed by Frankfurt, I should actually go to Frankfurt fly, but since my girlfriend was in Herne, she said Düsseldorf would be a bit closer. That’s why we changed and that’s why this changeover time has also changed. And there… Yes, so from 5 a.m. I had to go 3 p.m. waiting in Paris at the airport. And I was very tired and I no longer had this friend of mine. She also had to go to America. She was gone too. And then I was sitting alone. Fortunately, I had the internet I saw a cousin from me. On-line. I wrote to him I’m in Paris right now and I have to be careful here Wait for hours again. He said I can pick you up and show a little Paris if you want. No, no, I’m on Airport, I can’t. Then he says to me, then go to this company and say that you want to get out, if you say no, then you should give you a room, because you don’t pay attention Hours can sit there. And I did that. And they thought they couldn’t give me a room, but I should be out when I promise that I would go back in time. I promised that. Then is mine Cousin came together, we went together and I saw this Eiffel Gate, Paris, Champs-Élysées and everything there is. And I was there at 2 p.m. But I was still on the phone with my brother. I had completely forgotten that I should take another plane. And that was very scarce that I am again … .. . . .. So took. Fortunately.
[i] But you didn’t miss the flight?
[r] no, luckily. But it was very close.
[i] Before you acquaintance or what is the name?
[r] My cousin.
[i] Your cousin picked her up. What have they experienced that they don’t know otherwise?
[r] I was very tired. I was sleeping and I wanted to talk to my mother, but I didn’t see her online. And there … she had given me a Sim card like this which she had bought from … in France. But that didn’t work anymore. I had tried to call But that didn’t work. I was online, I was looking for whether she was online. Didn’t work. And yes, I just wanted to talk to her there, but unfortunately I couldn’t. And I was afraid that my things would be silent. Yes, exactly.
[i] okay, then they came and the Cousin picked them up. And now they drive …
[r] In Paris.
[i] Yes.
[r] Yes. First of all we went out to eat. I didn’t know McDonalds. I had never eaten such a hamburger. I had taken such a hamburger and fries. And also ice cream. It was a bit cold, but still. And after that we went out. Then on the street Champs We ran Elysees. It was super nice. And then we went to the Eiffel Gate. That was a big surprise. I didn’t expect me to be in Paris change and then visit. And that was actually magical. And very nice, honest. Everything was super nice.
[i] was so strange. What about the language? These are the Parisians. They have now …
[r] French.
[i] French. And how do you feel there?
[r] We have one there Boys asked for the way. And he said something. I only heard …
[i] not for you.
[r] Exactly. You speak very quickly and … So children also speak very much. Because of this. I spoke French, but not like these people. Not like the French.
[i] The accent was the other accent.
[r] Exactly. The pronunciation, Exactly. It was different.
[i] Airport, Champs Elysées.
[r] And then Germany.
[i] And then they came back. Was there any bottlenecks or was everything planned so that it all worked smoothly?
[r] It worked very well. As if we had planned all of this. Very good, honest. It was very relaxed. We visited everything and then back to the airport. Then I have mine Flight taken. And then was mine Cousin gone. He said he shouldn’t go in.
[i] not so quickly, not so fast. That means in Paris. By train, by bus or … He said something about everything. So in Paris I called my cousin. Then he arrived. Then we went out. There were buses at the airport. That was in Charles de Gaulle. That is very big. We took a bus first. So that we first get out of the airport. Then we took a train. Then we are after, let’s say, Paris drove into the city. And then we went there. So that we can see everything very well. Then in this McDonalds, where we were, was below, i.e. in the basement. I couldn’t. I didn’t actually know. That’s why we’re there. We ate. Have taken many photos. And then we’re out. Then we ran again. And then we went to the Eiffel Gate. Then we also took a lot of photos there. And then we took the train back. To the airport. Then we spoke a little. And then he was gone. And I had to go in. There was also a problem. I didn’t know where I was. Yes, that’s why I was looking for. And in the end I asked. Fortunately everyone had French spoken. And yes, luckily I finally found where I should take my flight for Germany.
[i] Paris. So Conakry. Paris. Eiffel gate.
[r] Yes. Exactly.
[i] Okay. Then did you land where? After that I am in Düsseldorf. Airport.
[i] Airport.
[r] Exactly.
[i] someone has You picked up there?
[r] Yes, but you’re out there. I have to get from Airplane come outside. NO? And from the plane … So I was still … I’ve never taken a plane. I didn’t know how it works. That’s why I just went out. I followed everyone else. And I asked a woman Where I can get my luggage. Yes, because I knew a little bit of German. And she said, come. Come with me and I show you. Then she told me Where to wait. And I waited a long time there. There were mine Case. I even thought I had lost her. Then they finally came. And they were three. And very difficult, very large. And the problem was how I could go outside from there. My girlfriend was waiting for me. But outside. She couldn’t go in. Since the door does not open from outside. And then I wanted to take this car first. But I didn’t know that one Throw the coin in it, so it should be. So that that can come out. Then I tried to ask. So ask a man of security. Then he said I have to go to the bank. Then have coin. Since I only had cash. And I didn’t know how to go there. I didn’t see this bank. I think that was the Sparkasse. But I didn’t know that it was one Sparkasse, a bank is or something. That’s why I just took a suitcase. I went out with it. I saw my girlfriend. And then hello. And everyone said Wait for me here. I’ll go to another. And this door closed. I couldn’t go in anymore. And then luckily a woman came. The door opened. We rinsed a bit so that I can go in. But in the end I was able to go in. Then I took my two other things. And went out.
[i] Yes, that is a tradition in the Federal Republic of Germany.
[r] Yes.
[i] Yes, impression? How was your impression there?
[r] I don’t know. Okay, it starts now. How does that go on?
[i] the language. How was that?
[r] So it may be strange. But I have … So I did German on the first day. When I just good Heard tomorrow. Then it went on like this. And as I said. I like to watch films, series. And even in Guinea I had attended a German course. And at home I had again Videos watched on YouTube. So videos in German. There was a man who also came from America. Who also wanted to learn German. That’s why they didn’t speak very quickly. And I could learn a lot there too. Therefore the language. I couldn’t speak very well or quickly. But I could actually agree. If I wanted to say something. Then somehow I could explain. Even because it takes 10 minutes. Until you understand What I want. But yes. After my arrival I definitely had to find a German course. And that’s not that easy either. For us students.
[i] Your impression. That was now with the language. The weather.
[r] Yes. Weather. Wow. So …
[i] season.
[r] Yes. I am… At the end of January. I am on 28. Arrived in January. And I think it was in March. Actually. I didn’t have to … snow. But… I went out at some point. I was going. Since I mean Should take the subway. Then I hadn’t noticed that it was white everywhere. And then I took a break. I did it that way. And wow. What is that? It’s like that everywhere … It snowed. That’s why it was wonderful. I actually had to go to my subway. And I had to go to everyone Fall take a break. And watch this snow. And during this time I also had my German course in Asta Bochum. And there we had a room in the forest. You have to go through the forest so that you land to this room. And when it snows …
[i] That is a Unicenter, not?
[r] Yes, exactly. And when it is snowing in the forest it’s super beautiful and beautiful. Honest. I was there … I almost missed my course. I always looked … Looked everywhere. And that was beautiful. But it was very cold.
[i] Also touched?
[r] Yes.
[i] Snow?
[r] I knew yes. You always see the topic on TV. But… Yes. Then you have to touch it.
[i] Yes. And then with the Accommodation, was everything clear? Or did you clarify that afterwards? So I was with this girlfriend. We had shared the rent. And I was there at the beginning. It was planned that we would then have a larger apartment … Find and then somehow live in a shared apartment. But another point. When you come here in Germany, it is very difficult to find an apartment on the campus. So this Study home in the university. So that’s very difficult. You have to do two Wait three months. Sometimes six. And if you don’t have it anywhere else … then you have to … I don’t know where to live. I was just lucky But I don’t know … That is also very difficult. This is such a point that …
[i] was planned by Guinea that Then you get along with your girlfriend?
[r] Yes. Yes. It was planned that I would come there first and then that we were looking for an apartment together.
[i] And it was a long time ago?
[r] Yes.
[i] How many years?
[r] two or three.
[i] Well. Then…
[r] Yes.
[i] Then they are … Was planned in Bochum If you write or …
[r] No. I had one Admission in Bremen. But this friend of mine, as I said, I also didn’t know anyone in Bremen. That’s why I came here. And was planned, that I only stay here for a month or two and then continue to Bremen. So I wanted to go straight to Bremen and she told me, come here first. Look at how it all works. I would… So if I were in your place, I would stay here again and see how everything goes. And then I would go to Bremen. And… Yes. I told her, okay. You are there. You know how everything works. I’m going to Bochum, actually. And then I arrived here, have one Language course started, had friends there. Already. And everything was good. I saw no reason to drive to Bremen. I told her, okay, Then I stay here.
[i] Yes, Bochum is attractive.
[r] Yes. And everyone is … Let’s say … friendly. That’s why I stayed here.
[i] And you have another one Language course also done here.
[r] Yes.
[i] Have you different Get to know nationalities?
[r] Yes.
[i] or how did it work?
[r] Yes, so many Chinese. A friend of mine who is called [Name], it comes from Greece. And another one that is Bulgarian. Bulgarian, say.
[i] From Bulgaria.
[r] mhm. And many who from China or … Yes. The… Yes, so … From China, I think they come. Chinese, many Chinese. I don’t know, so I don’t know the difference between …
[i] So from Asia, right?
[r] Actually. I don’t know exactly, from China or where exactly, but Asia.
[i] Good.
[r] And some also from Cameroon, But that was only at the end of mine Language course, because at the beginning I am always the only black. Always. Always.
[i] In class?
[r] Yes. It’s always like that Beginning.
[i] Okay. Yes. True. Yes. And then … With the city?
[r] mhm.
[i] Where?
[r] mhm.
[i] What do you have in Get to know Bochum? Yes. I mean cultural. Or…
[r] um … First of all this Ruhrpott.
[i] Ruhrpark, right?
[r] No. I meant Ruhrpott.
[i] Ruhrpott.
[r] Exactly.
[i] Yes.
[r] And the language too. You speak… Ruhrpott, right? Does that mean?
[i] Ruhrpott, yes.
[r] Exactly. We had that in the language course. It was a bit funny. And um … Bochum is nice too, right? There are many … Ruhrpark too, as you just said. There you can shop in a place. Everything is there. And is super nice. Even if you …
[i] A shopping pattern.
[r] Please?
[i] A shopping pattern, right?
[r] Exactly. In Ruhrpark. That is very nice. And night clubs too. So you can go in the disco. There is apartment. And … is very nice. Yes. And even in the city center, if it is Christmas, Christmas market. After all, you are in the Catholic school, right?
[r] Yes. Yes, that’s why. That’s why, right? That’s why I know everything. And here too there is an Afro shop. That is also very important. Since if you want to nourish something from Africa, then cook, then you can just come here next to the train station and … Yes, buy things. And that’s why I even got to know Bochum at the beginning. Afro shop Bochum. And yes.
[i] And then later, have They then undressed?
[r] No. I always stayed here. It is planned to move to Cologne. But since I actually in Herne live in Bochum-Herne, it is … Quite, uh, very quiet everywhere, not so much noise and not so many people. But in Cologne actually there are so many people at the train station, even you can’t walk like that, You always have to meet others and always apologize because you may have done something. That’s why it was too much for me. And luckily it is mine Man came here. And we still live here.
[i] Yes, beautiful. Yes. Also her husband, from Now mention her husband. Did you get to know him in Guinea or how did it come?
[r] No. So that’s a long story. A nice and long history. I got to know him in Germany But we missed Guinea. To say.
[i] What? How did you run to us?
[r] Yes. So on the day I was supposed to fly to Germany, he also had to go back. So he was there to a little Time to spend with the family. Only for two or three Weeks, I think. And he also has to go back that day. And our parents met there. I was already in the airport, so in the waiting room. I am already waiting for my flight. And then my mother saw his mother. And she said, hello, What are you doing here? And so his mother said mine Son flies to Germany today. And my mother was, wow, okay. My daughter too. And she knows nothing. She has not yet gone from Guinea. She doesn’t know how everything works. She doesn’t say, please say Her son to help her. So that he should help her. And then, his Mother said okay. My son is even there. Then they said hello. And my mother called me. And she said there was a man right away. And he wants to help you show you everything. He also flies to Germany. I was with this Girlfriend of mine. I waited. And has never met. We never saw him. Since she has already told me what he was wearing. And I didn’t see him. And unfortunately he couldn’t fly during the day, Because there was a problem with his passport. He was actually in Guinea, to change his passport. And there they had worn something wrong. That’s why he couldn’t. And I flew. He already had my number. No. I had his number. And he said when I have problems here in I should ask Germany. Since he has been here for eight years. And also studied here. Bachelor, Master. So he actually knew everything. About your studies and such. And I was in Germany. I didn’t call him for two or three months. Because everything went quite well. So then my mother always asked, did you call this man? You have already called the son of this lady? And I always said no. And she said that is not nice. You just have to say hello. And that’s just polite. You should do. That’s why I called him. And afterwards he always called me. He was nice. Always called me. Hello, do you have any problems? Is everything going well? And later, let’s say a few months later. He says to me that I can go to Cologne. To see where he lives. And I always had something to do. Always, always. And one day there was a ceremony there. A friend of his had received a daughter. That’s why they did a little party. And he called me and said that they were grilling. Whether I can go there too. And I said, okay. Then I was there, we met and talked. I found him very nice. And all of his friends were very nice. And so it started.
[r] I don’t want to say anything else. Was everything okay in the first impression or in the second impression? There is this love at first glance. So in my head it was the case that he was a man. Our neighbor’s son. That’s how I always called him. I never had his Name said. Always my neighbor’s son. Always like that. And yes. I think he had already felt something.
[i] Felt something?
[r] And later it came so love. That’s why I’m crazy about him now. And I think it’s a good thing too.
[i] Yes. You have also found a love. Fate has decided.
[r] Exactly.
[i] Yes?
[r] Yes.
[i] Yes. Now in Bochum. The neighbors. How is that? Do you have German locals? Contact with local countries? So I don’t mean Germans without a migration background.
[r] Yes. So not at the beginning. In the beginning it was very strange. Since in Guinea I was already used to say hello. And here you say hello. And nobody says hello back. It’s always so quickly smile. And now. In the beginning I always wondered what that was supposed to do. So should smile quickly. So I didn’t understand what that meant. But now. I do that now. Without saying hello. Just smile. And now that I live I know my neighbors. And they are also Germans. And they are nice.
[i] they also have people from Guinea besides her husband? Now the community? Actually not. When I arrived here, they had contacted me. But I didn’t have time. Actually. Since we should always meet. And I didn’t know. So their goals were not entirely clear. Because of this. I said to myself okay I’m staying first. Look how everything is going here. I would like to integrate myself first. And first understand how everything goes. Before I belong to something. Or support something here.
[i] Okay. You always danced before. And like to dance.
[r] Yes.
[i] This could be called a hobby. And how is this here? What do you do in your free time?
[r] now. So I spend my free time with my husband.
[i] So her hobby is her husband.
[r] Yes. To say exactly like that.
[i] Beautiful. OK. And there were also culturally. In culture. I am my mining museum in Bochum.
[r] Yes.
[i] And culture. Do you have something there. Do you come into contact with German culture here?
[r] Yes. But I know the museum in Dortmund. Since I only two Steps here in Bochum. So I made two stages of these German language courses, I said. And then I went to Dortmund. I started doing a German course there. PDN means. Because it was faster. Yes. Because I found that very slowly. Yes. It was three months per stage. And in PDN it was just a month, two weeks. And that’s why I know places there. We made excursions there. But in Bochum. Yes. I know the German mining museum from outside. But I’ve never been in there.
[i] Yes. There are also the mining industry, So LWL Industrie Landesmuseum. Is also from ours Cooperation partner.
[r] Ah. OK.
[i] Yes. Otherwise we were there too. Yes. Now they say they are now living in Herne.
[r] Exactly. That’s one too Neighboring town of Bochum. Yes. In Bochum there are places here, or from me in the Ruhr area, where you like to go. Or where you don’t want to go there at all.
[r] I know that because I was in Cologne with my husband in Cologne … he was in Cologne. He had lived in Cologne. And sometimes we were together on the Rhine. So there is a lot to do. You can then make a round with a ship or just walk on the Rhine. It’s like that … it’s so nice. There are always people. And yes. It’s always nice to go there. I like to go there.
[i] Yes. OK. Um … Now to the community.
[r] Hm.
[i] um … Gives something where you can say It would be good if that was done? Or how to say French, de manque à gagner. Then something you … Improvement or … That … that … the Guinean community would do that good.
[r] yes, so first for them Integration to help people. For the studies. That confused me a bit. We have … [She coughs] Excuse me. I said we have different systems. Therefore, if someone may tell us How everything works here when we arrive. That could help. Because otherwise you are completely denied at the university. And that doesn’t help quite well. Then… Maybe you lose time. And until you understand everything Then a lot of time has passed. So that should be Community take care of it. So to have people here They actually accompany. They say that it should be done. Or so. You shouldn’t commit these cases. Or… This should definitely be done in any case. So that you can study well.
[i] Yes. In the meantime they are … How long are you in Germany?
[r] In January we are now, right? Ah, almost three years. That’s quick.
[i] Yes.
[r] Okay.
[i] Okay. I don’t know if the question is premature too early or something. Some ask about it. Where you live.
[r] Yes.
[i] I say Where you live. We are also in Herne.
[r] Yes.
[i] What is Herne for you? So now I would say that I now have a family in Herne that it is like a home for me. So now I see my life here too. It used to be simple Herne far for me. But since I mean now Man and we plan to found a family there. So I think that’s a home for me now.
[i] Okay. And uh … Yes. And uh … how would you describe your own community here?
[r] My community?
[i] Yes, people from Guinea.
[r] um …
[i] maybe not in Bochum or here. From their experience. Or what you have noticed. So most I know are students. So are actually okay. They have no problems. The study. And next to … Also work at the same time. Have a part -time job. And… Yes. But… I see sometimes … In the news that it Problems from Guinea. But I actually thought that there is something like that … But yes. Sometimes we see that. And … but … In general, everyone I know are okay. In order. Study. Work. And … that’s it.
[i] Yes.
[i] Again to the Ruhr area. Uh … Ruhr area becomes … so … cosmopolitan. As a melting pot … … the culture … …designated.
[r] Yes.
[i] What is your experience?
[r] uh … there is … um … I have already seen that there are sometimes cultural festivals. In Dortmund, for example. It’s such a … Large… A big party. Only for Africans. There … um … people dance. And do … uh … Even wear African clothing. And… That from culture, I say, This is an extension. And from German culture too … The food, I think. The food … uh … I have … At the language course we always told us Teacher that this dish or this … Such a cultural dish is and more of the culture I only know that the music may be a hit too. People dance hits because I just said that I was going a disco and …
[i] So the people … so this … Can you … so … how do you see that? Are they … Because they say they are open.
[r] Yes.
[i] Do you still have … Can you give you feedback at all?
[r] Yes. So …
[i] The people from the retirement area.
[r] Yes. So … luckily. The people here are very open, yes. If someone has a problem or a question, then do everything to help. For example at the university at the beginning there were rooms Which I absolutely didn’t know where they were. Once a … um … yes. A person just took me with me until … Then we have 30 Wanted for minutes. In the end we couldn’t find. But she didn’t want to go away. She also had to go to the lecture. But she actually wanted to help me So that I think my space. And at the end … at the end we found together. And that even shocked me. I meant … wow. Why did she help me like that? I didn’t know that.
[i] shocked or …
[r] Yes. Shocked too, right? Positive. Positively shocked, Let’s say, right? And um … yes. That was something. But a friend of mine also told me that … So it’s a … A man that when he gets on the subway, Then all of their pockets remove so that they may believe that they want to steal something. And I don’t think that’s nice either. But… In my experience, everyone is so peaceful and very nice.
[i] Yes, you are in the Ruhr area.
[r] Yes.
[i] um … We are very pleased to hear that. Um … but you still hear from this party AfD. I don’t know if you have heard of it that it is a right -wing party. And I don’t know, you may have or heard or experience it yourself regardless of the AfD or anything else, Did you get or hear this external hostility or discrimination?
[r] um … Discrimination, maybe I could give a small example. I don’t know if this is exactly discrimination. But I think that’s prejudice or maybe you’ll say what you mean. Once I just told a friend on the subway, so that’s not a friend, me. A friend like that. I told him Wow, it is very warm at the moment. And he just meant You come from Africa. I said yes. And it’s warm. He said no. In Africa it is only warm and usually you shouldn’t feel that. That’s nonsense, right? Because in winter all jackets and such. Are everyone here, but they still say that it is cold. Or even if … I was at work once and we were all there. I was the only one Black too. And it was on New Year’s Eve and it was a catering service. Then everyone else had water or Alcohol served and made service and a man said to me that I should clean the toilet. All night. I was … I asked him, why just asked me. Everyone is there too … I had already told my boss that I don’t want to do that. But he still asked me, but maybe I tell myself that it is only because I am the only one Black there was maybe. These are small things But sometimes they happen. And sometimes they are not that nice. But yes. They also happen. In general, people are nice, but sometimes we meet people who are not that nice.
[i] One says yes, the exception confirms the rule, right?
[r] Yes.
[i] Yes, uh … I mean … You only have that from me … I think right now … What are you doing at the moment?
[r] Ah, I’m studying.
[i] Okay.
[r] Yes.
[i] And uh … How do you see the future?
[r] A good job. Beautiful children with my husband. And at some point in Guinea.
[i] Yes. Guinea, that’s the keyword.
[r] Yes. So this one Things … I don’t know. We are always together in Guinea. Here, for example, you have to stay at home on weekends. And sometimes you are alone. Fortunately, I have my husband. And yes, I find that boring. In Guinea, for example, you always have something to do. I could go to my mother. Perhaps. And um … Maybe there are many too Ceremonies or wedding. Or did you get a child. And make people party. And there is something like that every weekend. And I actually like that. The …
[i] miss them.
[r] Yes. Exactly. I miss that. And um … Because of this. I think too. Guinea is so important for me. And as I said. I had such a very good life there. And I miss that. Honestly.
[i] Yes. Then thank you very much.
[r] Gladly.
[i] For history. And um … you have the last word.
[r] um … yes. So what uh … I can say now is That um … is already a good thing that we can come here in order to be able to study so that we can continue to help our countries that we can also work here. But the authorities too, uh … sometimes don’t make it very easy for us. And it might be good that it is not so wrong that you say that you have to have a worker permit so that you can work. You say okay. Then you go to the authority, then they say Okay, you first need a certificate, a certificate of study, so that we give you a worker permit and then you go to the university and the say no, you have to go a um … Residence enclosure … have so that we will give you this certificate. Then … where you can start if everyone then waits for the other, uh . .. then it doesn’t go ahead and that was completely uh . .. so that did a lot, because when I still had a lot of free time I couldn’t work and then when I started to work again. That is actually one thing to say But yes, now I also thank you that you asked me in my opinion and that you do this study so that we are um. .. be heard so that it is also known that we are also in Germany, That Guinea is here too, so thank you very much.
[i] Yes. We have to thank we have today Saturday, twelfth January 2019, in this sense. We have the weekend today, Saturday.
[r] Exactly. Yes.
[i] I wish you and your husband …
[r] Thank you.
[i] … all the best.
[r] Thank you very much.
[i] And have a nice weekend.
[r] Thank you, also. Bye.