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[i] Good day [name].
[r] Good day.
[i] My name is [name]. And I will interview you today for the Red Star Line Museum for the project Specially Unknown. And maybe before I start my questions, can you tell me a bit about yourself? Which country do you come from? How old are you?
[r] I am [name]. I am from Iraq. I am 28 years old. And I now live in Antwerp. And I work too. And I study too. That’s just briefly about my life.
[i] And in which city did you live in Iraq?
[r] I lived in Baghdad. In the capital of Iraq. Not small city … no. A little big place.
[i] Can you perhaps tell me a bit about your childhood? How was it for you? What kind of child have you been?
[r] Yes … Maybe I will never see that time. Not with my children or other children in the world. Or maybe I can, yes, I don’t know. But usually not because it was very simple. We worked with papers and so glass balls. With plastic balls and such things. Live simple in those streets. Was not a cell phone, not a tablet. Not so many computers. Nobody used so I mean handy … So yes. We feel everything in every things. Yes not like now social media … and so things. It was really between real people. Play together … Yes it was really fun. Sometimes yes … I think … I miss those days. But…
[i] And can you perhaps tell about your family? Do you have brothers or sisters?
[r] Yes I just have 1 brother. But for me all the nieces and all the nephews is my brothers too. So I am the oldest of them all. I mean nieces and nephews are the children of my aunt and uncle. And yes … they feel me Or they made me like an old brother for them. Yes. And I miss them all there in Iraq.
[i] And what was the feeling of always being the biggest brother for them?
[r] Yes I am proud of myself That everyone loves me. And I love them too. And … yes I … How do you say that … I behave yes … my behavior with them is To listen to them … according to problems or just general talk … I sometimes give advice … Like I do pain away … So things yes … and I also do funny with them And I always try to make it happy. That’s what I can do. I do what I can do. Yes…
[i] And how was it at school for you? Do you remember your school time?
[r] For me … I was really calm yes .. a calm child. And … it was almost not so special things but I have many relationships … I have many colleagues. I have many friends so far. I have relationships with my colleagues they were with me in that … yes … In the middle … no … When I was 5 years old, such a small child. So far I have them on Facebook. And sometimes I talk to them and such. Yes yes yes. I love those relationships especially after my came here. I think life … normally it is beautiful and also too short. I say, “” How much I am going to live is too short. “” Because I feel I’m not … That I am not 28. I feel even younger … I mean from the outside is something and on the inside is different. Like those things … yes. So yes sometimes I see those problems … And those things between people … And that is not necessary! Why do they do? Life is too short. Live your life! Be happy! Make good relationships with everyone. Help, try to help everything. Help everyone. Yes just positive … Also when problems come. In every thing there is a positive side. There is a … how do you say that … a white light in that side. Also in problems. And normally everything goes ready. Everything will pass. Get rid of it. And just be positive. Live your life.
[i] And did you enjoy studying at school? Was it easy or difficult for you?
[r] My studying was difficult. I was in … not in special … I mean with money private … no … It was also normal government school. But it was really special … When I … 7 years old up to 12 … not to 12. Normally it is until the end of your university. All schools was special for me. And that is really special in … In Iraq if you ask people about that school. From 7 years old to 12 years old … Was it special and I learned a lot. The basis of mine was also perfect. That’s why I think in such a way and … And I do all those things … In my life. And was next laundry American school. Baghdad College. Maybe or yes … Those people in America or something know those schools […] Or you can also search the internet: Baghdad College and you will see the history of that school. It was American and was also very special buildings. Our studying from 12 years old to 18 years old university. It was all books from University. I think of Oxford. We studied chemistry. I’m going to say in English, more precise: chemistry, physics [chemistry, physics] And … Mathematics [mathematics], Geometry and algebra. And what else? Ah yes and biology [biology]. These were in English [These courses were in English.] In English, sorry. We still have history for the first year. And the second year I think … no until the third year there was history and also religion and Arabic and … this one was in Arabic. Because everything is in Arabic, Especially for that country itself. We want that geography [geography] … Geography is for Iraq itself or for countries … Just between us … no not between sorry next to us and so … I mean the neighboring countries or something general. Or history also about for example … That history of Iraq or something from Iraq … Whether those countries has with Iraq or it was an effect or something. Eh … yes.
[i] And why have your parents chose to send you to the American college? Or why did you choose that? But I think your parents more because you were 12 years old.
[r] Yes … My mother always wanted the best for us. And normally my father too. But my mother was that … person who took care of us. So … She is about until the end of the university … chose? Yes. She chooses everything for us to the university. Until the end of the university. And we always listened to her and such. But not listening to her much for that moment. I mean listening to those orders [requirements]. She wanted many things like every mother. She wants the best for her children. She wants a lot for her children. So yes.
[i] And how was it for you to study in that college? What did you feel?
[r] It is not college. Many people say: “The name of that school is Baghdad College”.
[i] Ah okay. That is only the name.
[r] Yes. But when I say: what is the name of your school? Or where do you study? I mean when I was in that school. I say: “Baghdad College”. “Ah what are you studying? ” “Oh wait. It’s a school, just secondary school. “” We say: the secondary school of Baghdad College . it is like this [that’s how it is.]
[i] And did you enjoy studying there?
[r] This school was Really Magic [really magical]. Everyone Every person in that school has something special. He is an abnormal person. If I see someone from Bagdad College and I see normal person They are different, absolutely different. Their behavior, their thinking, that cleverness … Yes Slimness … Yes that … I don’t know how to say. Yes yes yes. Yes I am now a group on Facebook is those people from Bagdad College of the ’60. Yes people are old, old. And all is outside of Iraq. And they have special places. Professors … Yes yes … Every person has something special things.
[i] So you are happy that you studied there.
[r] Yes yes really! And hopefully that yes … I wanted to say to study there too because I am used to never seen that school. Because it’s not just teaching you. But they give you the way you can with people … Everything your behavior, everything behavior. We are crazy. Everyone is crazy. Play, think, Blablabla … but in our lives we are different. And maybe you think that’s now.
[i] And then when you were ready you were 18 then. And then how did you choose what you want to study further? And what did you choose?
[r] normally my points was not that high. The result of that last year was not so good. So … In my university, Previous university normally I have to choose 2: Science of Physics Or science of math and computer application. Normally I love both … But I think mathematics Yes I don’t know …
[i] more interesting?
[r] Yes. Because when I remember that studying I think it’s not that interesting exactly. . If you are studying in general It is not as you use mathematics for other things. Do you understand what I mean?
[i] Yes.
[r] I used that … That math in normal life In our lives. That’s why. So I just chose math and computer application. And yes.
[i] So you went to university to study that?
[r] Yes yes. I have a bachelor of mathematics scientific and computer application.
[i] And how many years have you studied that?
[r] I studied for 4 years.
[i] And after that? What did you do afterwards?
[r] Hoho … Search for work. I searched for work but I also did a lot of work. Every person … When the university is ready and you work with his specialist for me it was a bit difficult because mathematics is normally usually a teacher or teacher. But you can also study something with computers or something because the math is how should I say the sources of science. So if you can mathematics You can usually do a lot. Yes there so. First was, yes, teacher was a bit difficult because the situation is not so good. And I started with normal in the store yes was once in the like the library. Next to the university and I … I wrote … I was typing the students’ projects. And I made them … Just words they wrote that paper and I have to write everything back type … Writing back in that computer and making beautiful, making a framework for example. That big and that small and sometimes that in Microsoft. And that was about the first job. And then I started with … Alfa Consult. It was … I was like a communication engineer. We worked in … we worked with … With network between the banks of Iraq and the central bank of Iraq. It was … yes … it was fun with everyone there. And… Also good experience such as first job in that company. It was really new to me. But … I learned a lot. I have learned many people. And … then I find that life in Iraq … Is difficult for me. For that moment and for the future.
[i] And what was the most difficult for you personally?
[r] For me personally yes … I’m going to talk about me personally. It is difficult for me … the situation, for example safety, The electricity, the water … this … Also those … Yes, usually for things but also those people … People start changing … They started to make more strong, more sturdy … And that problem for nothing … I mean … someone is becoming firm with his smartness with his … Knowledge [knowledge].
[i] knowledge.
[r] Knowledge and … They become firm … You will be firm or you do … yes. Also normal people who come for the fight or something … Or just yes … it was really strange for me.
[i] But did that happen because of the political situation because of the war? Why did people start to worn like that?
[r] For me … Is it that … character of the people, everyone. Those people in Iraq or other place they don’t have real rules … Not really rule like here in Belgium.
[i] Do you mean so laws?
[r] the laws … they don’t have exactly, Because the law is the real basis of the country. And how strong the rule, how fewer problems are. People also start to do other things. Because if the rule is … So that … education, no … Yes, education … Die education And that, too … All people, for example, will not take money for you … I don’t know how to say that in Dutch sorry.
[i] to borrow? Borrow money.
[r] like borrowing. But for example I come to you and I want something from you And you say: “No. You have to pay something under the table or something. I’m going to take 200 euros. ” Like this. Who is also not going to do anyone as a rule. For example here in Belgium nobody does that.
[i] that is being punished.
[r] Yes … that’s why! So that character of those people is true. I mean in Iraq or other countries. If that every person tells you okay: “You’re freedom!” And then depends on which person. For example, that person really studied And he really has good parents or … Those people around him … Was good with him or … The situation I mean that … The form of his life.
[i] the environment.
[r] the surroundings of their or his, yes Is that effect. Like here. I came from Iraq, I come from Iraq here but… I know everything about the bad or good things. But I start to choose. But how should I choose? From my fits .
[i] past.
[r] past. What did I study? What did I learn? That question comes to me once. Came, sorry, came to me 1 time. He says: “How can I do everything? How can I live here alone for 5 years? How can I? ” If you think it’s really difficult. But how can I do that? And I am, I never thought that. In my family in my house was: if you want outside I mean for a house of your friend or too for example your aunt or grandma or sleep something It is about forbidden in my family. “You have a house why are you going there? Back!” That’s all. So it’s hard. But when I think I say: “Okay. But I learned a lot. ” I studied a lot. I have a lot … My family does a lot. That school does a lot. Therefore, as you train For something to do. So we back to that situation.
[i] Yes. Why did you decide to flee?
[r] Therefore. The people are a bit of freedom. And that becomes freedom worse because nobody can see.
[i] So because of the political situation, the situation in Iraq has gotten worse with those people and with that environment And with the relationships?
[r] Yes. That’s normal Because politics is the … The head, the parent of that country. So if the parent is not so good or is not good, so the children are not going well either.
[i] So that was really too difficult for you to stay there? Do you remember the moment when you have made the decision: “Okay. That’s enough! “” My decision was in the second year of the university. I was thinking but I don’t know where and how. How? What am I going to do? What am I going to live? How am I going to live? My life is really simple in Iraq. Just school, at home, a bit with friend, maybe cafe … something to drink and then back to home. Or eat something, maybe play with friends on computer or like those things and back home. But at time, everything becomes wider and wider … And life wants more from me. Was I just studying now and looking for something myself. And then I have to buy a house or make something. And then I also have to get married and make children, make family, because that is the system of life. Why you come to life? And you are going to do all those things. You go to school, study, Working, making family and then … back outside of this country … of this life. That’s it.
[i] So you felt that it was not possible for you to do that in Iraq?
[r] It was difficult. I think about myself about my future and also the future of my family that yes … That education is bad … Those medical things is also bad. And those people just work, work, Working and trying to bring money and the situation remains the same for them. I don’t mean those about … The situation in Iraq is always changing, changing. Sometimes worse, sometimes better, sometimes worse … But normally is not good. Is not good. I mean for people here in Belgium … Throughout Europe normally is bad for life. There yes, you can’t feel you really are a person. You can’t feel you are real … can really live. People go to the other countries as a tourist for vacation. And they find: ” Oh that’s nice! That’s nice! “” And when they go back: “” Ah … “” Yes, they feel that is like a prison. About, yes, I mean that.
[i] And when did you decide to flee? Do you remember that day?
[r] when that chance comes. I always work with a chance.
[i] And when was that exactly?
[r] Ehm … It was exactly …
[i] or about?
[r] Yes about 2 years after my graduation.
[i] So in what year was that?
[r] yes ’14, ’15 approximately.
[i] And how did you get to know that it is possible to to go to Europe?
[r] I was in Turkey. And I was on Facebook … I have seen a friend on Facebook … And he says: “I am in a country of Europe.” And I said: “Okay. How can you go there …? How have you been there? “” And so things. And he said: “Okay. I’m going to tell you and I’m going to help you. ” He just has me information few songs from those people that he has … Same way and such. And yes. I came … for me was by plane. Through the sea and so …
[i] And why by plane?
[r] I was alone.
[i] But normally, I mean, Refugees go through so illegal ways.
[r] you mean walking and so on?
[i] Yes yes.
[r] This was the last things for me. The last chance. I said like this, “” I’m going to try by plane.
[i] For you need a visa to come to Europe.
[r] No. I did this … from Greece.
[i] But how are you to Got Greece?
[r] with the sea.
[i] Ah with the sea … okay.
[r] It was yes …
[i] So first from Turkey to Greece with the sea?
[r] Yes as every person comes here as immigration.
[i] And how was the way for you? Was it difficult or easy?
[r] The road … It was beautiful.
[i] Beautiful?
[r] Yes … I told you And also in black and difficult situations there is always positive things, Enjoy in every moment. And now if I remember I think these good and beautiful Adventure I did in my life.
[i] was it also with that little boat?
[r] yes small was a boat. About 5 meters or so. With 46 people.
[i] That’s really a lot for a small boat.
[r] But I was about the first thing I get in that boat Because that has to be … that was the situation. And at that time, at that time I was not feeling anything. I was so … I just want to do that and that’s all! Death, no death … Okay, I have it … How to say? My reserves … I brought my reserves as come along. If this is done, ok I’m going to do this and go like this … About a little information … I mean … And it wasn’t that difficult. I was always about clean. I talk about that all the way. About clean. Nothing done with me. For example, I was problems or something, no … Everything okay. Was good.
[i] And how many days did you have to do that to go from Turkey to Europe?
[r] I think that was 20 days or so.
[i] It’s really long. Did you also have to stay a bit in different countries?
[r] you have to do yes. You have to stay a bit in a few countries. Yes but … sometimes it was … It was about 2 weeks in Greece. That was too much. Really and truly. 2 weeks. That was not 20 days. Fewer.
[i] And did you stay in a hotel? Where did you go there?
[r] First it was in Greece. In that island itself. Yes, just together with those people. In such an asylum center. But after that it was a bit difficult. Normally it is difficult. I mean it is difficult for normal people. But for me I liked it. That’s the situation … What is it going to give for me, for example? A villa or a car? Okay normal. I come like that. Illegal … What should I expect?
[i] So you were a bit prepared?
[r] Yes yes. I say okay. That is the situation so I have to live with the situation. Yes. That’s all. And I have to do that way. Here too in this situation. I have to live that way. With my situation. If you don’t want that okay and leave. That’s all.
[i] And why did you choose Belgium exactly? That’s perhaps a typical question.
[r] Ehm … I didn’t chose anything. At first I knew two people in Austria. And I wanted to go to Austria. But they say: ” Don’t come … There are many people and … you’re going to get nothing I mean from papers And you also go to sleep in the tent. ” I say: “Okay. But where should I go? ” They said, ” Go to Belgium There is about good weather in Belgium. And they don’t fill the papers so badly. Or they make too long. Or … and they are good with migration persons Like those things. But I didn’t know anything about Belgium. I don’t know where is on that map, map. Really and truly. Yes I told you: My life was really simple. Therefore, I don’t have much experience. but… I have used many things that learned here. Because only, so … I am alone, so Everything I have learned and still has to learn.
[i] So you just chose to go to Belgium on the road?
[r] yes therefore. Just. But normally I hardly chose anything.
[i] And do you remember that day when you arrived to Belgium? The first day?
[r] Oh …
[i] What was your feeling?
[r] It was like a shock. I thought Belgium is not that way. Or not normal Europe like that. Because Greece is not like that. And… I found it a lot of difference. I was on the plane and upstairs was beautiful sun … That … With blue sky [heaven] like that. And then the plane starts down, landing. In Brussels. And that starts again to get dark. Wait a bit, wait a bit! Where am I? Yes, yes … And then I said: ”Oh dear. What is that? “” And the second thing was … I am in North, Brussels North was. I was just looking: “Nobody. Nobody at 7 o’clock. “” A few people, not so much.
[i] At 7 o’clock in the evening?
[r] Yes in the evening. ” Where those people, Where is those people? “” And then: “” Okay I want a hotel. I want to stay somewhere and so on. “” I see and see nothing. Just street … No movement no lights, no nothing. I see so, okay: “Maybe I can find something there.” “Yes, that was the first day.
[i] And then what did you do in the first months?
[r] Ah yes. I was in the hotel. In the first day I took a hotel. And then the next day had been to the Commissariat in the morning. Yes I said: that I am here. “I don’t know what are you going to do.” “Yes, I am, I don’t know what said. I don’t know. Maybe she from: okay and so on that situation. But I move and I see. They say, “” Go like that. “Okay. Where? What?” I mean it wasn’t normal: “Go like that!” No, but I understand and then talk to them. They have taken an X-ray. And then they say: “Okay. To Kapellen. Asylum center. ” With three friends. Three people. And we are in the same … We became the same … room. And so it takes 3 months. And then I took a paper. For me was in the first time. So those Iraqi people was little either. And they don’t make so many problems, so … I think … for the government … Normal people, Iraqi people is good. Not so … Don’t make a problem and such. So that is why the paper had not come too long. And also my story was good, okay. It was the situation too and about the problems with people. And so things. Yes… These things don’t normally remember because I dream a lot. But not every day …
[i] Do you mean the nightmare?
[r] such as in Iraq or … How do I get here … And where is Belgium and such? I told you about the people going to vacation. If she just goes to vacation and again she see a much big difference. And how can I, for example, if I about Iraq for 5 years. And between normal people and such. I dream that I am in Iraq. Big difference, big difference … Sometimes people cannot imagine [imagine] that.
[i] And how was it for you the first years of your life in Belgium? What have you done? What was it like for you to find your way here?
[r] Em … normal … I don’t have that much information about what I can do. But I do … I did the first steps. Such as learning Dutch and then, for example, questions about Article 60. OCMW questions about Article 60 works. About this contract of Article 60. And then I wanted to study. And I also studied about that driver’s license. And also asked about that article 60. But it takes a little time, but okay. I worked, so do studying. And then stop working and then working back. And then stop … and then another job …
[i] So you also studied here in Belgium?
[r] normally I have, first was the language. And so far. But I usually think this last course for me. I am going, I mean stop language. And … yes I study.
[i] What training did you do?
[r] not yet completely done. Only a few … Because every 6 months, a module. I study AutoCAD.
[i] Car?
[r] AutoCAD. And I did 1 semester of Photoshop. But I have another semester. And I think about … About more studying but perhaps later with a new job.
[i] And how did you find these courses?
[r] Normal at Encora School. They make evening lessons. I searched and so and I saw it and also written it. And that second time for me that I am studying. And it’s fun. Now I follow AutoCAD 3D. Yesterday was the first day … My head was broken …
[i] yes because you also work full -time.
[r] Yes I work too.
[i] And where exactly do you work?
[r] I am working Levanto joinery as a draftsman, Programmer and operator. And about project manager because I have supervised the project from zero to 100%. That’s why. Yes. And… That is my job for the moment. Hopefully others about that of my job … Because I do that company now I think a lot. But later maybe less or something … We will see.
[i] And how do you find that to work in Belgium compared to Iraq? Are there differences?
[r] Eh … I can’t find differences for that moment between two countries. Normally the difference is large.
[i] But for you there is no difference?
[r] No. It’s big. That’s why I can’t say that difference. Difference normally as two things like something similar
[i] similar.
[r] Equal, yes, or something close together … But not so … Things and other things … complete things … Like you … An example I don’t know … Now I don’t have an example, but … Maybe just those … This country and this country. That’s all. There are similarities, but for other things there is many differences. But in Iraq the traditions. The real traditions of Iraq is beautiful. And history … I mean what they have done is also beautiful. And I am proud of there. But as we say: “We are, we are living now.” That is not about history or other things. So if life, not just in Iraq every place if you don’t like or if you can’t live try to change it because you have 1 life. 1 Life. Not anymore. So try, do what you can do, but safe And good for you. Because if you start with first Maybe you can’t feel but later you will feel. Like those smokers … Those smokers are okay. “Ah I smelled for 10 years.” “I smoke for 20 years and I have nothing.” Okay, but wait a bit.. Every thing has a time. So you want that … first this But maybe yes, the time … From that sin … I say that too punishment to live … Karma. What you do later you go get the result. Good or not good. So they start is important. How are you going to start it. So that’s why. So your life has to go like that.
[i] And are you happy with your life in Belgium? Are you happy that you made that choice to come here? And change your life.
[r] For Belgium … For Belgium, there is great in my heart. But sometimes I find the situation or tradition or … The style of the people here in Belgium Is a bit not difficult but … Yes, yes, is sometimes difficult. But I can … Can you say. Because yes I have others … Difference, big difference. For example, I don’t come from Europe itself. So I have about the same environment. Or I come from America for example … I come from oriental place. I come with people they have those feelings and those senses and emotions … Is very important. Yes… I think this one is a bit big difference. Here in Belgium the emotions and so a bit too low. Yes a bit too low. Yes therefore … And my family is also there. So always talk and such, so … Always my head, my thinking with them. My heart and such. I can’t do anything … Except like … Here in Belgium or something against them or … Not like what did I learn or … Yes like that. I sometimes do things but normally they don’t know. But try to, yes … Not too, not like … Back to my original. But I’m open mind. I accept all people. For me all people same. Who are you? You are human. You were born like me. And you die like me. That’s all. Who are you in your life? Okay. Are you doing well? Perfect. I’m glad you’re doing well. If you are bad, try to get good. Try. Be happy. Be positive. Do what you can do. Live your life. You have 1 Life. And so things. So those people for me throughout the world … Here in Belgium you have many nationalities. You have Africans, Arabic, you have from America, South America, from Europe … Difference. Also from Asia. You can all see. But people is people. Names, religion, countries … You chose something of those things?
[i] What do you mean?
[r] Have you chosen anything of those things? Countries, religion, names …
[i] no.
[r] No! So … that’s not my problem. I’m like that. Man. That’s not my problem. That’s why.
[i] And what are your future plans? For your future to here in Belgium, what are you planning to do?
[r] I have a plan. Normal because yes … Human without a plan is almost dead. But … for the moment I want … Do something … maybe … Maybe other people can see. But I do have a plan.
[i] But do you have a plan to make family for example?
[r] What?
[i] to have, to do. Get married and have children …
[r] AH these things will come normally. So this I don’t think about that. Because that woman or girl that comes comes that time that she says: “Okay, I’m good for you. That suitable person for you. “” I can’t say: “This one is good. This is good. Or ok I’m going to try that or try with those … ” No. I don’t have time for that. Really and truly. So just let that girl come that way. Okay. Because if you want something … And you do: “I want that and I want this.” is not going to happen. Really and truly. So just leave it that way.
[i] But maybe in the future when you have children With which values ​​and culture of which country Are you going to raise your children? With Iraqi culture or with Belgian culture? What do you want to learn from your children?
[r] The culture of the country itself.
[i] Which country?
[r] I don’t know which country.
[i] So you haven’t thought about it yet? Have you thought about it?
[r] Yes. I already have a plan. I already have a plan for 20 or 30 years. But yes.
[i] But I mean it is important for you to Iraqi to learn culture from your children?
[r] normally yes. It’s not about Iraqi for me … Can be learned the right things.
[i] What are the right things for you?
[r] Thinking well, Watch, listen and learn. Don’t try not to hate anyone. Be positive. Really live your life. Do what you can do. I didn’t do something in my childhood .
[i] Childhood.
[r] Childhood. Those hobbies. In Iraq is much difficult for, yes was for me. I had a situation about my family. And I can’t get my family happy my family. Hobby is important for children. I want to see my children for example boy or my daughter, my son or daughter, see Which things that he finds interesting. So try to give children. So that’s important things. And they have to do 3 things. A good certificate, sports, they have to learn something from children Just exercise, they stay like children and they stay. And also a profession. Profession except that certificate. For example you are an engineer but you can also like the worker, I am a carpenter. Or you like to do wood. Or you want a musician. Or you are a football player. For example, if you can … Getting bigger with your hobby okay, or with your sport, okay. Not just normal sport daily … Normal sport? Okay so you have a profession. Such as hairdresser or other things. So you have two things. You can use your certificate for your life. And you can also use your profession. Or you can both. That’s my plan Or my points for my children. That’s important.
[i] And what is the most important quality of a person? That you want your children to become. Such quality, such a character.
[r] You mean that girl?
[i] no no. Your children. Or just in a person. What do you think is important in a person?
[r] Important in a person? Ehm … It is important in person he does his place or his position Or yes … he does his position … In perfect way. For example… Those things in our lives … People thought that is name … for example… Do you have sister? Do you have brother?
[i] Yes.
[r] So you are your brother’s sister. I don’t know what his name. It’s not just a name. Sister is not a name. Sister is a job, a profession. That woman, that wife … That husband , that man is a job. That father is a job. Those children, that friend is a job. That girlfriend is a job. What should I do with that person? Like your job. You have to give something. You have to do something. That is important things in person that should understand. That his position is a job. Not just a name. “He is my friend. Ah, wait a bit. Do you know what is a friend? Do you do all the things of a friend? All points of the friendly things? ” That’s not just a position in that work: you are boss, director. You are a servant, you are a worker, you are bla bla bla. No no no. This something else. This is for money, for life. Normally the director on someone in his work, he must also do his job very well. Otherwise fired. Correct? So also in our relations This important. You need to know your job with that friend, with that person. How can I talk to those people Feel and such? And most of the time it is the same. Everyone search for care, someone listening to them, And … what else? Wait a bit … Sometimes everything comes together, but yes … Ehm … Safety. To trust. For example many people here … or here, not here, I mean in that life When you talk about problems about something in you Everyone wants to talk … Here is such a memory. memory inside you [Memory of your heart] You always want to empty it a bit. But who should you talk to? Sometimes people have no one to talk. Why? The people around him do not do his position Job. Not that position. For example, sometimes a boy, like me, talks to mother talking and she doesn’t listen if she’s not hearing. Pain! Pain! Whether you talk to your brother or sister and she will not listen if she sighs … Really hard. Or a friend … also a friend. Normally the friend has to listen to you. Listen. “Okay. You have pain, ok I’m going to stay with you. No problem. “” “Do you need something? And so things. “” You feel in your life you are not alone. And this one of those problems here in Belgium. Not just that … Only … I feel that many people are here like alone. Not all of them.
[i] Lonely. Loneliness.
[r] Loneliness?
[i] That is if you may not be alone but you feel the way you are. Such lonely .
[r] Ah … that too. If you have a lot of people but nobody does his position. Correct? For example, I have a woman. I don’t have a woman. But for example I have a woman. But she doesn’t do the position of her. I have a woman. But in reality in my feelings I don’t have a woman. I have a friend. But if I have something he does not listen or he doesn’t come or he doesn’t help. So name, name, name, name … Name is not important.
[i] I agree with you. Okay [name]. Thank you for this interview. It has been very interesting. I also got to know a lot. And I wish you every success with your future plans. I see that you really have a lot of plans.
[r] Hopefully everything will be fine.
[i] And thanks again for the interview.
[r] Gladly done. And I was happy to do that. And hopefully the people can also … How do I say that? Can also learn something, or yes … Or just like remembrance information. Because many people know a lot of information, they don’t see or not anymore. Hopefully!
[i] Ok. Thank you again.