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[i] Today is August 16, 2018. Today we are at friend [name]’s house. We will be with colleague [name] conduct an interview. Thank you very much. You took your time today, invited me to your house and welcomed me as a guest. Let’s get to know you. Who is [name]?
[r] Yes, gladly. [name] is on Born April 10, 1959. In the province Akcadag county belonging to Malatya, in the village of Tatarusagi, i.e. in a Kurdish village, any Kurdish child born there. Hmm, our native language […] Since we were born in a Kurdish village, our mother tongue, hence from our first words, is Kurdish. We started school when we were elementary school age. We didn’t speak Turkish. We started learning Turkish at school. And hmm, from the time we started learning in primary school we of course had various difficulties with the language, i. e. learning a new language and being taught in it. This Experiencing problems, we learned Turkish. According to the curriculum, students should not only speak Turkish at school, but also continue to do so at home. And that’s why we had […] Well, since our mothers and Fathers spoke Kurdish at home, so we sometimes had to speak Kurdish. So that someone who arose from this need Discussions denounced, [they] instructed the teachers, even though they were Kurds themselves, with the excuse: “We only apply curriculum.” […] and, well […] [and also] the most naive students, so naive that they could be called stupid. She denounced us to the teachers, that we spoke Kurdish at home. Because of this report, the teachers, who were Kurds themselves but [also] very hard-working, discriminated against us again, arguing why we spoke Kurdish at home despite the ban. They put our hands together like this and hit the tips with sticks. So we say from time to time: We learned Turkish through brute force. This is not a parody or a bad joke. That’s the bitter one reality that we experienced. We have under Violence Learned Turkish! This is also how I finished primary school. Well, just as it is in every Anatolian village, it was also in ours Village. When I graduated from elementary school, I was not yet registered as a citizen. So if I now get an extract from the civil register with a police clearance certificate, then the day I am registered is my graduation day from primary school. Before that I wasn’t registered child, so I had no ID. I was an illegal until I finished elementary school. I officially started school when I finished primary school. In order to receive my elementary school diploma, I needed an ID card. I registered myself at the residents’ registration office. From the residents’ registration office […] Well, normally I was born on April 10, 1985. We registered me a year younger, so that I will be older when I have to do military service. So I was born in 1959. I [am] usually Born in 1958. Hmm, after I did that After I finished elementary school in the village, I moved to Malatya into a bachelor household and started middle school. I attended the first three years of school there. After being in Malatya three After going to school for years, at the end of the first half of the year I had to leave school due to family problems. In 1975 I completed the final examination at Gülveren Elementary School in Ankara Middle school graduating classes. So I became a graduate of the Ankara Gülveren Middle School. Then I logged in Ankara at Ünil High School. After being in Ankara three After attending high school for several years, I became a graduate. I took advantage of the deferral of compulsory military service for two years. But I wasn’t able to enroll in my desired department during that time. I went into military service. While earning, I also prepared for matriculation exams. I completed the exam. I won [?] the University of Ankara Department of Economics. After studying at the Faculty of Economics at the University of Ankara for four years, I completed this[study]. After that I moved to Istanbul. My professional life began in Istanbul.
[i] Where did you get yours? Completed military service?
[r] My basic training was in Balikesir [Aigais]. A logistic unit. [Afterwards?] I had the position of a deserter [?]. However, since I had postponed my service, I was unable to receive my call-up on time. Because I couldn’t get the draft, for me the Etemeskut was Panzer Division intended, but as I was Was considered a deserter I couldn’t go there. I was drafted after the military coup in September 1981 in which I was caught. Of course, I remained incarcerated for a while. Afterwards I was pardoned, and I came to the logistics unit and I came with the entry “temporarily absent” from the military. After three months of basic training, I was transferred to Istanbul. My home unit was in Istanbul and I served for 18 months under normal circumstances.
[i] When you were in Istanbul afterwards, you started working in Istanbul straight after you graduated from university, right?
[r] After I finished university, I started working. I started in a textile company called Cemotext to work on. During this time I also visited the public Positions applied, for example at Halkbank, one Telecommunications Management, Some Family Members, with the same last name, are political reasons were convicted. During this time I passed the entrance exams. When I got my atama [?] expected, I received a letter, that I was unsuitable for the civil service position. I took the letter to the HR manager. I asked the telecommunications administration what that was. I have these here Passed the exam with a good result. I have submitted all my documents. While I wait for my appointment, send me an answer like this. They said to me that they don’t normally give explanations, but since they were at the If they are classified as dangerous after the security check, they cannot enter government service. I experienced a similar situation at Halkbank. You are not suitable for the position at our bank because your security check came back negative. So I couldn’t join the civil service. I started in private sector to work. As I said, my first The job was at Cemotext, a textile company, after which I worked in various areas, be it the construction industry or in the editorial team of a newspaper. Mostly as head of accounting, sometimes as managing director and leader the accounting. I had in private Sector always has a leadership position. After I in private After working in the sector for 25 years, I retired. All of my jobs were in Istanbul. I was also harvested in Istanbul.
[i] Let’s move on to a different topic, let me ask you a question about your personal life. You’ve been married before, as you mentioned earlier. How did your first marriage start? Was it a love marriage Coincidence, how did it come about?
[r] My first marriage. My wife was a civil servant at the time, she was Laboratory technician for the Ministry of Health. A friend’s wife was a nurse. She was also a mutual friend. So I was friends with the husband and his wife. When I was the nurse of one When I visited you at work one day, I met my wife from my first marriage. So I learned it through my friend, through the nurse, know. Then we became friends. Feelings developed between us, so I can call it a love marriage.
[i] What year was that?
[r] We got married in 1986. I got married in October 1986 and in March My oldest daughter was born in 1988. Later I had a second daughter. She came in December 1997 to the world. My daughter, who died on the 8th Born March 1988, he studied at Middle East Technical University studied psychology. My younger daughter is currently studying International relations and political science.
[i] In Istanbul?
[r] In Izmit, at the University of Izmit.
[i] How is your relationship with your family? Keep her on the phone Contact, are you going to visit her?
[r] Clear with mine I often talk to my children on the phone. When I travel to Istanbul in Turkey I visit my children. I see my daughters, my children often.
[i] For example this Living conditions, and well, the political situation in Turkey is not exactly encouraging. After this caused you difficulties, you were forced to leave your homeland. Can you tell us something about it? What a feeling it was for you Leaving your family, especially your daughters?
[r] Well, on the one hand I have an entry with the State Security in 1984, and on the other hand I was arrested several times by the State Security after protests during my student days in Ankara. So I also had an entry with the state security in Ankara. That’s why our apartment was stormed in 1984, I was arrested and detained by the state security for 15 days. During that time I was physically tortured. Our house was stormed because of my brother. One of my brothers was there Organization Partisans, active after the split in 1979/1980 on the side of the splinter group Bolshevik Partisans. The friends she is with We were in contact and visited us often. During this time they were observed by the police. They were arrested. Because their contacts were traced or because of Information that they themselves gave during the interrogation, our house was stormed. Everyone from our house was then Detained for 12 days. Our eldest brother, a bank clerk, and I were taken away. The actual brother, the one The teacher, whose friends it was, was not caught at that time. He was wanted on a warrant. He left that for a while country, went to Germany. He stayed there for ten years and returned to Turkey. I was constantly because of these Entry harassed by the police. When the pressure, violence and persecution of opposition members increased with Erdogan, I was also confronted with such a danger. Because of this, I left the country. After that, I got my second marriage with a friend I met here. So this is what happened after I came here.
[i] When did you come to Germany and to which city?
[r] I came in March 2013 to Bochum.
[i] Did you know Bochum before, had you heard of the city?
[r] I came twice as a tourist for a week/ten days. I came, saw and got to know the city. I couldn’t speak the language, so I had immense difficulties at first. But because of that my wife Turkish can and also German, she has been here for 25 years, she has it in point Language helped me a lot. Be it with the job center or with the immigration authorities. When I had contact with authorities and had to speak to them, my wife was always with me as an interpreter. Um so, I came into this one City and live in Bochum.
[i] When you were in Bochum for the first time, what impression did you have? The city you come from Istanbul is a large metropolis, the second city your study town is next door Istanbul also a large metropolis. If you compare it to Bochum, Bochum seems like a district. When you compared it, what difficulties did you face and what did you like?
[r] Of course I am Person who loves working. I think that today is one of the material reasons why Racism develops in this country, those are foreigners who come to this country and are lazy. See it as their job to live off the state. I didn’t want to live like them, I wanted to work. I couldn’t do my job, because I didn’t speak the language. I have accounting skills at the level of one tax advisor with this experience. In addition, accounting works with the same logic everywhere. Business accounting follows the same pattern everywhere. Debits and credits, liabilities and receivables are applicable worldwide in the same pattern. The accounting system follows a universal logic. Although I have mastered this system, I was able to don’t speak the language, not do my job. As a result, we became self-employed. So I work at our own company. On the other hand, if there is a good job or an opportunity to practice my profession, I would like to work there too.
[i] Of course, language is a big challenge. Have you made an effort to learn the language?
[r] The job center first took me to a nine-month course, then to a six month one Course sent as normal. I attended language courses for a total of 15 months. However, after a certain one age to learn a language […] Hmm, well […] Of course, it’s much easier to learn a language as a child. At an advanced age, and we are among them, I’m almost 60, it is difficult to understand and learn the language. It’s more difficult to learn and understand. I am experiencing this challenge today. Because of that my wife knows the language and has mastered it This caused a certain laziness in me. I didn’t make an extraordinary effort to learn the language. I like reading. If I had a tenth of the energy and time I spend reading I have spent a lot of time on books If I had invested in learning the language, I could now be at a completely acceptable point with the German language. Well, I love reading. There are some German thinkers and Authors I would like to read in their original form. But when I read any of them in German, I don’t know hundreds of terms. Must mark these and look them up in the dictionary. It takes a long time to read a book under these circumstances. Maybe this will help me to further develop German. I would like to give this development a chance and will of course continue reading. I want this, I want to learn this language. Because I have decided on my permanent living space. As for the city. After I came there were some changes, be it OPEL, Johnson Controls and many other companies were closed. I see unemployment becoming a serious problem. From time to time I see, when there is a strike, that the German media portrays the striker, i. e. the wage worker who seeks his rights, as the culprit. For example, during the strike There were a lot of reports from train drivers with passengers waiting at the stations. The majority of those who complained about not being able to come to work were broadcast. While in the While this predominated in the media, those who believed it was a justified action, the supporters, were hardly shown in the German media. And if they did it wasn’t on the channels they were watching. In the case of public law I didn’t see them on the broadcasters, but rather the opinion that the right to strike should not be exploited. Because this country has a tradition. The working class was able to become strongly involved and achieve gains through industrial action. Although democratic rights are actively used in this country, precisely due to the removal of pressure from the socialist system on the capitalist system, social Achievements rapidly diminished. With unemployment and dismantling In the welfare state, rights are curtailed. For example this Hartz IV laws. The lives of people who cannot work and are dependent on the state are severely curtailed and made more difficult. Savings measures make life even more unbearable for low-income people. These things lead to more Difficulties in the lives of low-income and unemployed people, and leads to new problems.
[i] If I’m not mistaken, you took a souvenir with you when you came here.
[r] Yes.
[i] If I’m not mistaken it was a book. You also said that you read a lot. Can you show us the book and tell us why you brought this book with you?
[r] The book is called “The Rape of Fire” by Galina Serebryakova. She is a Soviet one Historian and author. If we pick up the book now. It’s about Marx, Karl Marx, from his Birth, his childhood, his youth. As well as his mature years. The series consists of a total of five volumes. That is, the book in my hand is the fifth volume. I took this with me. Because from this book I learned Marx’s privations. The political work of Marx, or rather the work on the Marxist program. Behind the energy and work he put into this lies a great sacrifice on the part of Jenny Marx. This dedication from Jenny Marx touched me very much. So against the background of Popular movements of the 19th century, the workers’ movements, the revolution of 1848 and the Paris Commune of 1871. So while social events are being told in the background, Marx’s private life is also told at the same time. Marx himself is mentioned in many countries banished into exile. He emigrated from politics reasons to France. He’s going out Expelled from France, goes to England, is banished from there for a while, goes to Belgium, from there back to England. In the end he dies in England. In England he was affected by great poverty. He sacrificed three children to this misery. They died in childhood because they lead very poor lives. If the support of Engels, If it wasn’t for his best friend, it might also have been him or his Wife became a victim of this poverty. They were from Friedrich Engels particularly supported. This book is written by Engels reports as second violin. So Marx’s theories for the liberation of the Humanity, according to Marxist theory, is not simple conditions developed. A work like Capital. Marx himself says: The plan for the future, that is, what the alternative to the current system is socialism and communism, We didn’t build [that] on dogmas. We’re not saying here’s the one Truth. Kneel before her. He says: “The corruption, the brutality, the inequality, the exploitation of the pressure that this system produces, we developed our theory based on these problems.” This is also one Summary like and why Marxism came into being and what it aims to do. The book influenced me a lot. I took it with me so that many people can read it, especially my wife.
[i] Very nice, that was very good of you. When we come back to Bochum. When you were new in Bochum. Naturally you couldn’t speak the language you didn’t yet know your environment, the culture. So you had a few challenges. Now there are five Years passed. In these 5 years, what does Bochum mean to you?
[r] Well it’s an area where racism is weak. Racist parties or a fascist danger, a civil-fascist danger, are weaker in this city than elsewhere. For that reason alone I can say that I am lucky to have chosen to live in a city like this. It’s also a lovely city. It has no tangled mass. So metropolises have theirs Advantages as well as disadvantages. A metropolis means more noise, more air pollution. There are many here aspects of a more natural life. There are still untouched green spaces. The structuring of the city did not take place uncontrolled. It is a city with a beautiful environment. Therefore I see myself as Happier to live in this city.
[i] Have you lived in different parts of the city? Which one did you live in first?
[r] I lived in Weitmar. And I still live in the same part of town. Because this part of town is beautiful.
[i] What is there in Bochum that you particularly like and is indispensable?
[r] So now of course she has many places that are beautiful. But for example is a particularly beautiful place. The lakes that are there. The nature there. How the ducks swim in the lake, that nature is clean, that the Air pollution is low, these are very beautiful places. I have the botanical one Garden in Bochum visited. I am fascinated by the system. There are many different types of plants there. Plant species were brought from many places around the world. They were given special care. Some in closed rooms, some in open spaces. It’s a beautiful place. The botanical garden here is a special place for me. I enjoy walking there.
[i] Do you have bad ones? Memories of Bochum? Have you been confronted with things that were difficult for you to process? Be it with the people, racism, or, for example, the immigration office?
[r] From time to time, of course, we see signs of racism in some people. We parked our car at one Location where we got electricity. By car I mean we used it for business. We have a breakfast cart. We deliver with this car Businesses with breakfast in the morning. The batteries in this car need to be charged for around seven to eight hours every day. So we need a power source. When we parked the car on Hattingerstrasse for this purpose, we didn’t harm anyone. It just said that because of the size of the car, we can’t see the road one street further at the intersection. That was the complaint. It wasn’t just ours would block the view of the car. A normal car would be at this point Also block the view. We got the electricity from a kiosk. The friend who ran the kiosk, we found out that his landlord, Showed such reactions due to a racist point of view. He threatened the kiosk owner to terminate the rental agreement. Of course we didn’t want ours Friend is disadvantaged because of us. So we moved away from that spot. It really bothered me that we received such a reaction from a racist owner. I’ve thought about it. In addition, we […] So even if racism in this city ​​does not have the support of the masses, there are racists in this city too. In this city, racists are not a mass movement, racist and fascist Parties do not enjoy a broad base. Unfortunately, one cannot dismiss the fact that there are a few racists. Unfortunately, such racists exist. From time to time we can do this in ours Recognize everyday life through people’s behavior.
[i] But they are in the minority.
[r] Yes, they are in the minority.
[i] Okay, how is your relationship with your neighborhood? The apartment you lived in before these, your dialogue with them and the relationship.
[r] Now our neighbors. In the area where we live there are mostly Russians and Poles. The social adaptation of our current neighbors is problematic. Let’s see that despite No smoking, someone smokes in the elevator, it is not used cleanly. We can’t seriously complain about our German neighbors; our problems are more with the Poles and Russians. So the building we live in has twelve floors. Each floor has four apartments. Sorry, our block has three apartments per floor. If you multiply that by 12 that’s um […].
[i] 36.
[r] Yes, that’s 36 apartments. We live in one Building with 36 apartments. So there are people of all kinds Art. There are good people and those who are social have difficulty adapting. This is how we try to deal with it.
[i] How is your relationship with your neighbors? Can you sit in the garden with your neighbors and have a coffee, a beer or have a barbecue together? Take her home and invite her for tea? Do you visit your neighbors? Neighborhood relations
[r] There are certainly reasons to complain about your neighbors, but how are your neighborly relations?
[r] Neighborhood relationships are weaker in large blocks of flats, compared to buildings with only three or five apartments. You just greet each other Exit or in the elevator. Apart from that, there are no warm neighborly relations here. In the previous apartment, it was a three-story building with six apartments, where we were particularly visited by our neighbors from across the street. We often sat on the balconies and drank Coffee together and chatting. But here, in this Building, there is no such thing.
[i] What country did they come from?
[r] They were Germans.
[i] Ok even if here, so in large ones Residential houses where foreigners live or the neighborly contacts are not that frequent, there are Germans in the area. How is your dialogue with the Germans? How do the Germans see you here, what is their view of you? See yourselves as one Part of your own group or [see you] as different? How do you feel about that?
[r] Well with the Germans. Of course, depending on your political views their perspective on foreigners also changes. The German racist I don’t want to be friends with Turks, i.e. with Turks and Kurds. He is incapable of doing so. They behave very distantly. A simple greeting is enough for you. But German democrats and revolutionaries are more open to foreigners. You hardly have any difficulties to accept foreigners. Most Germans with us Friendship, friendship as a family, making friends, are revolutionaries, Democrats and socialists, such people. Monotonous, conformist, such which is the official ideology, the official one politics of the state, to be approved under all circumstances, who see themselves as superhumans, with such Germans, it is not possible for us to make friends. For whatever reason, such friendships don’t happen for us.
[i] This is also the case in the country you come from.
[r] Yes.
[i] There you also choose your friendships and friends. It’s easier to make friends with people with whom you have the same thoughts, the same things Idea that shares the same political line. It’s the same here.
[r] Yes, that’s right.
[i] Therefore […].
[r] So you’re saying there’s no intention behind it.
[i] There’s nothing unusual about it.
[i] Let’s also talk about the following topic: culture. Here, in Bochum, as you also know, there is a different culture. If you compare them with Istanbul, Ankara, Malatya compares the culture there and here. What are the differences positive and negative?
[r] Before I came I saw a TV show with a German journalist. She spoke Turkish. The journalist did not speak German. People asked: “What is the image, the Turkish image, in Germany?” Also the German one Journalist is asked. All guests in the group were journalists, otherwise, um, [… ] political scientists, Journalists, writers. The German journalist was also among them. This woman was now asked what the Turkish image was like in Germany. The lady did the following Determination. She said: “The first group of workers to come to Germany came predominantly from rural areas. This means that they come from a poorly educated class. The rural areas were also the educationally poor areas. When they came, they formed a ghetto that was closed to the outside world. And had with social Adaptation, well, at the point of social and cultural As they adapt to German society, they encounter resistance. They resisted. Because they had their own relationships, in the little ghettos they had formed. They create obstacles for themselves Integration with and into German culture. Therefore, the Turkish image in Germany is not that good. Then there are the criminals Crimes they have started. The Turks in particular did wrong things here. Of course, all of these things have not left a good impression in this country and have damaged its image. One of the primary reasons why Turks are not liked in their own way behavior sought. As someone who is Kurdish but was also born in Turkey, I sometimes witness this myself and it also bothers me as a person. One day I was waiting at a stop in Gelsenkirchen to take the tram. There was a machine at the stop where you put money in, choose what and it falls out at the bottom. He probably has two Euros thrown in. They were five or six young people, but antisocial young people. They have each other Turkish spoken. You probably have two They threw in euros and apparently didn’t get what they wanted, the machine was broken. They kick the machine while shouting and cursing loudly. I went to them and asked them what they were doing there. They said, “Brother, it swallowed our money. We wanted coke and he wouldn’t give it to us.” I said: “How do you do this for two euros? Here take your money and stop it. When the Germans see people like you, and here everyone is watching you, everyone Germans and that is very shameful.” I didn’t tell them I was Kurdish. A Kurd in Germany who was born in Turkey and learned Turkish under duress. I told them: “I am a Turk, but when I saw you I was ashamed. I’m ashamed of your behavior. Now some German here is judging all Turks about their behavior and thinks everyone Turks are like you. That’s why they are behavior like this, That’s why such behavior is not only unpleasant, but also promotes dissemination and Growth of racism in this country. You give them good plays Deal with your behavior. So I admonished the children. I gave him two euros. Of course they didn’t want to accept it. The behavior really bothered me. I have myself as person felt disturbed. Because I don’t care who does it, such behavior neither good, still find it ethical I got involved. I am convinced that I did the right thing. Because of things like that, some things are valued in this country. In this country, well some, well some judge, some ethnic groups, because of stories like these that come from everyday life. So everyone becomes a certain way seen as inappropriate, uncultured and uneducated. Well, sometimes you can see that Examples that you have to agree with that.
[i] How do you live out your own culture?
[r] I live my culture, as I emphasized before: I like reading. Reading is an important one Part of my daily routine. I read books, magazines. Some magazines I receive are published in monthly periods. Some typical classics: For example, I read this Works by Marx, Engels, Lenin. From time to time I notice that I have to read them again, even though I’ve read them before. I think I need to re-read some of them because today, well, I am one of those who think the following: Marx explained this yesterday on three basic building blocks: the German philosophy, the English Economics and French socialism. His theories were based on these three basic building blocks. Marx is not satisfied with admitting the present explain, i.e. the political ones Structures that existed until now he also explains our time. Just as he describes what happened in the past, he also explains the present. Because I think like this, yes, exactly, that’s why I think I need to re-read some books. That’s why I spend a lot of time reading every day.
[i] What other things are there about culture?
[r] For example theater, I like theater.
[i] For example, there is still cinema […].
[r] These are things that I like. I want at least that Watch award-winning films. It is important to me to attend plays that draw attention to social problems and I would like to continue to do so. These are types of art that I like, theater and especially cinema.
[i] There are these options in Bochum, for example the Schauspielhaus is not far away.
[r] That’s close to us.
[r] Yes, but now.
[i] The music forum is near here.
[r] Well, because I am German don’t fully understand the language I don’t fully understand pieces in German. That’s why I’m bored with it. I mean, I’m looking at it. Sometimes I turn on the German TV channels. Most for example Arte, in German language, But also 3-Sat. They often broadcast political films and films with awards. I look at these sometimes. We mostly watch via the Internet Channels that are on broadcast Kurdish, as well as Turkish channels. but use such news sources free from corruption and defamation. So we try to stay informed about our homeland. As a result, I also look for the right ones Channels and programs for this over the Internet. Like Medya haber, for example, Arti TV, I watch channels like that.
[i] There are also museums in Bochum. What is your relationship with museums, do you visit them? Have you ever been interested in museums and churches?
[r] I am someone who is interested in history. My religious feelings are weak, I don’t belong to any religion, I’m an atheist. Any church or mosque can attract me just because of its architectural art so that I want to go in and visit it. I want to see the historical remnants there. This is the only page [of churches] that attracts me. I’m not drawn to it because I attribute some higher power or higher grace to it. Because I find that all religions are ultimately in the service of the ruling classes. They push people into fatalism. I am one of those who think that this is how passivated masses are developed, who consider everything they experience to be fate, do not rebel and do not demand justification.
[i] In addition to Germans, many foreigners live here, especially those of Turkish origin, Turks and Kurds. They both have a large community in Bochum. How are your relationships with them?
[r] We maintain relationships with the community through Didf. I am also a member of the club. I take theirs frequently events and meetings. I also now have a Kurdish side. I also supported the Kurdish one liberation movement and stand by it. Also on this one I’m trying hard. That’s why I have good relations with the Kurds here. In addition to my political identity, I also have my national identity. My national identity is being Kurdish. My political identity to be a communist. I am a communist. But, yes for some, political identity comes second. For me, my political Identity before my national identity. Then mine Identity as a human being. That’s what’s right, I think.
[i] To enter into dialogue with these people, to establish relationships, How does that work for you? For example, it is with It’s difficult for Germans to find a dialogue because of that Language is an obstacle. The environments you visit be it the club or others, what is your dialogue like there and the friendly relationships?
[r] They are good. I am a social person. I don’t have any difficulties to make contacts. Through years of research and reading on many different things, I have knowledge about many things. That’s why I don’t have any difficulty communicating with people. Yes, well, on some topics […]. In the circles in which I move, I command a certain level of respect for the points in which I have mastery of the subject. Because I master some topics and thereby inspire respect, I don’t have any difficulties to establish relationships. I am an active person.
[i] What is criticized about us, among foreign groups, especially from the Germans politicians, or rather from the Society is constantly criticized for its lack of integration. For example, the club you visit to what extent is it a gateway to integration? Are they for them? Conducive to integration or as the Germans say, an obstacle to integration?
[r] Of course, people who care about this chose the country for their life so spend their entire lives and family life here. Your future projects will also be built on the basis of this country. In a country like this, everyone expects something more justified Sages, i.e. state and citizens, well. Of course they should People who are interested in this Land as a living space has decided to integrate. This condition is also binding for me. If I want to integrate into this society, and I want to. Because I chose this place as my new living space. Since I use this place as Once I have chosen a living space, I have to integrate myself. This is a legitimate demand. When this is brought up by politicians it is just as justified as by an ordinary German. Likewise if a German does that language that I use politically fit together, but [with whom I] find it difficult to communicate. So if a German Communist says to me: “You should learn German well and integrate into this society.” Then I see this as a demand to be taken seriously and respected. In addition, I and the club in which I am active defend the following position: For us it is clear, of course our home is there. We are interested in that country and its development. But what interests us is what is happening in this country, here, be it the situation of the working class here. As well as the decisions that politicians make, the laws that the government issues, they concern me as much as they concern every German. As soon as a German feels disturbed by the new, stricter police laws, That must bother me as well. The police have not yet been able to carry out searches without a court order. With the new ones According to police laws they can. These laws legalize police terror. I also object to it. This invites arbitrary actions. Now there are laws that allow Germany to be designated as a police state. The laws confirm this statement. The laws increase the Pressure and violence of the police state and the state pressure on people. Now why should the police be allowed to randomly search me everywhere? What kind of law is that supposed to be? But these laws are out and the German population also has something against the laws. The application will regurgitate even more. We will experience and see this together.
[i] What structure does this have? Club, is it small, is it big? Can you describe it? How does your network work, how do you get involved? Contact each other and find out about each other?
[r] Didf, spelled out Federation, of democratic workers’ associations. so they are democratic Workers’ associations, i.e. democratic ones mass organizations. If a German can express himself here and find himself again, he and she are just as welcome. The organization is open to everyone. Of course there are elementary ones Basic requirements: Of course everyone is welcome here, but the person should at least be humanitarian, not racist and not xenophobic. This can be Kurdish, or sometimes it can just be Kurdish. But it is also open to all other foreigners. So too, for example, Irani, Iraqi, Syrians. They can also come and become members and take part in the activities of the association. What is important here, what we want to achieve as an association, is: We live in this society and have chosen this as our living space and want to participate in all political and economic decisions. We would also like to support the part of the population that is democratic Protect your rights here. This also includes the German ones Democratic organizations and parties active in Germany. We would like to stand with these organizations to preserve democracy. We have undertaken this task.
[i] That there is a network, an organization like this one in Bochum.
[r] Is this a chance?
[i] Is this an opportunity? Which Does it have any advantages for Bochum? What role does she play in your life?
[r] In this way we want Turks, Kurds, Syrians, Iraqis, Afghans, no matter who they come from Bringing corners of the earth together. Finally, many of them are either with political asylum, for payment or have some other option receive a residence permit. Those who don’t work here live with the support of the state. With what is called Hartz IV. They live with the help of the Job center or employment office. This support opens you up People don’t have a normal life. The money given is for housing, food and clothing. For the rest, i. e. more than just getting under, it’s not enough. This leads to an ever-growing problem. These people or too Germans who live on Hartz IV have difficulties and problems with it. Collecting deposit from the Garbage cans are becoming more and more widespread. Even to the extent that it is damaging to the country’s image. We all witness this in everyday life. Even people who can no longer work are disadvantaged by the Hartz IV laws. Politicians also know that these measures are unfair. That it is unfair, or rather many are Injustices are discussed again and again. Although it was introduced by the SPD, But there are also many discussions within the SPD because of the Hartz laws. The other parties also find this inadequate, because it will be one trigger a crisis. What is it? Overproduction crisis? They produce a lot, but if the people so in the economic cycle, If the consumer cannot buy what they produce, then they catch Overlays of the goods. This leads to Overproduction crises. The greatest danger for the capitalist System is currently in a crisis of overproduction. A fundamental reason for the overproduction crisis is the decline in demand. If you don’t make it possible for people with their wages to live well, don’t offer them such jobs, After a while your production will not be sold and the overlay will begin. The decline in demand develops from the erosion of purchasing power. Why should that? Demand decline? You have essential needs to secure your life. If you don’t have the income to buy this, then you can’t buy it. So you will be the one Don’t have demand. But they always have the offer. They produce non-stop. What happens if you… Don’t have any more demand? Because of overproduction, overlapping begins. And this overproduction triggers a crisis. It produces the material Foundation for the crisis. It creates such danger. Ultimately, the Germans see that too Politicians and the people who run this country. That’s why they also discuss this topic. On the one hand, there are serious attacks on the rights that wage workers have fought for. We say that this one At least the club today is a federation of democratic workers. The clubs consist largely of wage workers. Today, even if they exercise their right to strike, they face a series of pressures and obstacles. The right to strike is a right that has been fought for. There are more and more here too Dangers to the right to strike. As in Eben’s example, the train drivers’ strike. There are serious measures to ensure that these rights are not used. It finds one Counter-propaganda took place. The state propaganda, or rather the official attitude of the state, does not desire any desire for one’s own rights. True to the motto: The more we can prevent it, the better for us. We have done our duties to the ruling class to the best of our ability. They would like to experience this fulfillment. Their job in this country is to serve a handful of lobbyists. The more we serve them, the more they scratch our backs, the more support we get. This follows this pattern business in this system.
[i] I would also like to know which ones Role the club plays in your life. When you go into the clubhouse, the members are: Workers, largely from the same country. Turks or Kurds, sometimes even Germans. But they all share the same political perspective. For example, when you’re there you don’t have a language barrier. You can express yourself more easily.
[r] Yes, that’s right.
[i] I would like to know a little more about this. Why don’t you become a German Workers’ association or union member? If you could open this up a bit.
[r] Yes, of course my goal is this. My goal is a German, and not just one, being in the German clubs and unions. About this system, the Predicaments of the system, what it does to society I have to master the German language and be able to explain it in German. I want that too. That’s why I don’t just stick with the wish. I am trying to learn German and also the political language. For example, I would like The Capital of Read Marx in the original language German. I would like something like that. It doesn’t work with the Turkish translation, but read the capital in the original. I want something like that. Now is my current one Location suitable for this? Am I that proficient in the language? No I’m not. But I have efforts in that direction. My goals regarding language, i.e. mastery of the language, are [these] at this point. I really want that.
[i] We are of the same opinion on this topic. Why found? people have a club? Whether it is a chess group or another. You go there to, at least in your free time, to spend time with people who are similar Share thoughts or have the same hobby. You are a member of the Didf club. You don’t just go to the club to protect workers’ rights or because they are in are based in Bochum. You can express yourself more easily there because you speak the same language. Or rather, understand what is being said to you more easily. Most of the time it will be there Turkish spoken.
[r] True.
[i] That’s what I mean by the question.
[r] Sure, the whole thing has this property too.
[i] I don’t mean that in a negative way, but rather the positive meaning of the whole thing.
[r] Sure, of course. I agree with that.
[i] I mean you as a person.
[r] Your statement is correct. I can really only agree. When I go there, I always advocate education, so a person wants to educate themselves culturally, politically, their cultural want to raise the level This path doesn’t just involve reading books. If you are a good listener and your counterpart Pay attention, then you can benefit from it Also included something to take with you. You then observe life. In the Soviet revolutionary history Svetlov [Mikhail Arkadyevich Svetlov] asked: “How did it come about like this?” He replies, “I have this The book is tested with life, and life I test with the book.” The accuracy of a book, whether it teaches something right or wrong, does it correspond to the reality of life or does it contradict it. That’s why we check the accuracy of the Books based on the reality of life. They check this Living with a book. So what is the life equivalent of this book? Is there any real basis for this in real, practical life? This is how they check the book. And they examine life itself with a book. Ultimately, the whole thing is mutually intertwined. They influence each other. Now what do we do when we go there? Not all people around us are at the same level. There are always new ones coming along. Educating these people, at least addressing the reasons why you are there. The system put me in the situation of having to sell my labor for a wage and through this Selling to survive. But who am I, while I’m doing this I’m the person producing. My class reproduces everything for life. When she stops life stops. So that he becomes aware of it and develops into a part of this class. In such an effort, you are involved in some way. I am also a worker, I also worked for wages. I worked with it, but I was against it worked for wages. I have mine Labor sold. Have a specific one Working time spent. I put in effort and work. When I sold it to him, I was also a worker. I was hired as a worker by the SSK. I was harvested as a wage laborer and have my life managed as a worker and here too I am a worker. Even if I’m self-employed. If I stop for three days the business will stop and I have to give up the business, I’m in the situation of having to work for wages again. Something like that is one matter of moments. We live in a time where small businesses are being pushed into bankruptcy and quickly. In the course of one day, in an instant, Every hour, every hour, every moment of the day, the pressure from large corporations leads to this small businesses to social bankruptcy. As a small business owner, you can lose your business at any time and become dependent on wages again. These are things that are in this system occur very frequently. This means they become wage workers again. So you are the one who does this Life and survival reproduced. If they tell him how powerful and important he is. A worker looks at life differently. But if he thinks that he is just a single worker. Thinks, I get my wages, pay mine I’m not interested in bills or anything else. Whoever has this attitude, his Humanity is also debatable. You show at least that this shouldn’t be the case. Make him think. That what he produces is part of the work process. So that he perceives his own position, you blow the scales from his eyes. All for clarification. If you are a scholar, you have this task. Although you are a worker, you are also a scholar among workers. This is also called the scholars of the proletariat. Him in different To clarify issues, to blow the ashes from his eyes into the wind. You are faced with such a task. You have this task.
[i] What does your day in Bochum look like? Please tell me how your day goes.
[r] What’s going on? day from me? Of course, not every day is exactly the same. I get up at three in the morning. At four we finished the preparations and got to the car. At four o’clock, four thirty around we pick up the rolls from the bakery. At five o’clock we are at the first delivery location of a company called Klaus Union. We then stand in front of the gate. Then we prepare the rest. I’ll cut them Buns and butter them. My wife tops the rolls. We prepare everything there. From there we drive to Essen to the gate of a company called Sivilex. We get there around 6:30 am. Then we’ll go to Essen immigration office. We also sell there. From there we drive to a company called Allmol. After that we still have 1/2 contact points in Essen. Then we drive back to Bochum to one Company called Bebenak is in the direction of Herne. From there we call it a day. If I then want to sleep […]
[i] What time is it then?
[r] At ten thirty, eleven o’clock. We finish work around eleven o’clock. During the day. Yes, of course, during the day. Then it’s time to clean the car every day. The car needs to be washed and prepared for the next day. This takes about an hour. Around twelve or twelve thirty we load everything we’re taking home into the smaller one Transporter and bring it here. Preparations for the next day continue here. Examples include the preparations you make at home for the next day Salads, hot dishes, cooking eggs. So boiled eggs. I make scrambled eggs in the car all the time. With our words [?] I crack eggs. Sometimes with spring onions, sometimes with bacon. Sometimes we make scrambled eggs with green onions and bacon. Depending on the customer’s wishes. Sometimes he wants it without anything and just says eggs. Just say salt. So you just put salt in it. You take two or three eggs if none If you want one roll, I’ll take three. That’s how I do it. Some want mixed with tomatoes, some with sucuk. So that’s all we do during the day. Then we’ll go home. When we sleep afterwards, sometimes I read too. I always have a book with me and always have one in the car. I read on the way from Essen to Bochum. Sometimes I get political Discussions on Facebook and write. Things like this happen.
[i] But you don’t drive and read at the same time.
[r] My wife drives, I don’t drive.
[i] Are you out and about every day? How many days a week?
[r] Five days, five days a week.
[i] Five days a week.
[r] Saturday and Sunday we don’t work, then we’re at home.
[i] How is yours going? Weekend, how and where?
[r] Sometimes I go to the clubhouse. Sometimes I stay at home and read. Because we can’t sleep well during the week, we sometimes sleep longer on the weekends. What you ” sleeping for a long time”. We sleep late, but most of the time I read at the weekend. Or we go to club meetings or events. I usually go to the clubhouse on the weekends. If I go on weekdays, I can’t stay long because we get up at three in the morning.
[i] Let’s get to the bureaucracy Germany come. You know, Germany is a bureaucratic state. forms and letters, what impression do you have of it?
[r] I’ve never warmed up to bureaucracy. Of course it’s good that some things are regulated by law here in this country and that there is discipline. Sometimes it takes forms Icgüzarlik [duty of service]. Then you see people who suppress their creative side and function disciplinarily like programmed robots. Being like a programmed robot and working in a disciplined manner are different things. Now the two. A programmed one Robot will fall for the icgüzarlik. Where he has to show initiative, he won’t do it. Because when he shows initiative and uses it, he thinks about doing something illegal. He gets caught up in such a perception. Well you shouldn’t be a programmed robot. Out of sheer discipline and more disciplined Don’t act like one. Humans have a brain and sometimes behave in an unroutine manner. Of course you can handle everyday life routinely, but sometimes you should think to yourself, hey, that’s my exercise case, I can find something else useful for it. You hardly see that in German society. I have that in my own too observations can be made. Clearly disciplined, it is a Country what the discipline likes. She should also be disciplined. Life is bound by rules. There is no life without rules. For example, I was taking my driving test. As I turned right, my right tire crossed the dividing line. As a result, I didn’t pass and still couldn’t have my driver’s license recognized. I have been in Turkey for 25 years Driving a car in Istanbul traffic. And here I fail because of such stupid rules. There’s a driving style that I’m used to, especially with the cars I drove. I often have automatic ones Circuits used. Here I am with a manual Circuit tested. Due to the fact that I When I took the corner too early, my right rear tire crossed the dividing line. I should have turned in later.
[i] You come from a place like Istanbul. Let’s also talk about freedom and democracy. The behavior patterns there. If you would compare these with each other.
[r] Yes, of course, of course.
[i] Please compare yours Life in Istanbul and here.
[r] The coup of 12. September in this country […] Well, our Sirri Süreya Önder [HDP MP] says, that it is the largest was a mess at all. He says that if we were to describe September 12th in one short sentence, then September 12th was a big mess. This country experienced a military dictatorship. The dictatorship drenched the left-wing and socialist opposition in particular in blood. Meanwhile, religious reactionism was growing Iran in Tunis, in Algeria and in Turkey itself, on the intervention of people like X Tümer, the people became in the Religiosity urged. Because a religious person experiences this as fate hold, do not stand up and do not demand accountability. Such people are easier for you to manage. If you think everything you experience is fate, you life would have come about as a result of a divine providence, such a man will not rise. Such a person or man whatever gender. Now September 12th fueled religious reactionism. The Office of Religion had a cadre of 8,500 people on September 12, 1980. Until parliamentary elections were restored again in the 1983s. No, sorry around 1993, in those 10 years this cadre was increased from 8,500 to 85,000 positions. In the cadre schools of the Office for Religion, the Imam Hatip as well as the office itself, there was a 1000% increase. This also applies to the Koran schools and courses. What happened? The generals who presented themselves as particularly Kemalist and secular, they nourished the foundation of the religious Reactionism with state control, built all the wall building blocks on it and now people like Tayyip walk on these paths. Tayyip’s power and influence grew on the devastation of September 12th, by him and people like him. Now today, in the aftermath, we saw this in the following way. We wanted to join the EU, with their pressure we were under Under heavy pressure, laws were passed according to EU directives. A few of them came like a mercy. In 1989, actions among the wage workers took place again among the people. The first one, I was also there, on the square Freedom in Sisli/Istanbul was the first legal one Workers’ rally after September 12th. It was organized by the Otomobil Is union. We were also attacked there by the police. Some of them did anarchist actions, provocative things. Under the pretext of attacking them, they attacked all of us. I also got hit with the baton. It was just the first legal one Rally after September 12th. At the rally on Freedom Square I was hit with a baton because the police were beating the crowd like hell. Even if the dynamic among the resisters achieved some democratic gains, became the most Achievements achieved through the desire to become part of the EU, i.e. through pressure from the EU. But what happened? Tayyip has in all areas, As soon as he was sure of the power of his political camp and himself, he sawed it off. It currently holds the world record as the country with the most imprisoned journalists. Turkey holds this record. He can say of himself: I arrested a lot of journalists, I arrested a lot of progressive ones I was particularly thorough when arresting Kurdish politicians. HDP executives, their elected mayors, as well as state and district councils. They arrested all of these people and tens of thousands more with banal allegations during the KCK operations. These repressions still continue. Elected representatives, led by Selahattin Demirstas, the leadership of the previous era of the HDP are in place, their representatives are in place. This System is like a nightmare. I have one Watched TV show with Ümit Kivanc. That was before the IMC station was closed by the authorities. On IMC Ümit Kicanc asked by caller: “This man says that he became the government with 49%.” By the November elections, the elections were declared invalid Elections in June, the election on November 1st. He didn’t like the results of the elections on June 7th and so he had them declared invalid. In the new elections in November, they became the governing party again with 49%. So now he asked Ümit Kivanc: “He has an opposition of 51%. How can he be so inconsiderate?” The man said: “The 51% who are against him have no gendarmerie, no police. This 49% controls all military and bureaucratic positions.” So they have all the fascist forces in their ranks. They have no inhibitions. He attacked entire Kurdish cities, where the HDP received over 92% of the vote, with tanks, Cannons and weapons fired. People experienced such an immense inhumanity Torture that even cemeteries were bombed. An entire region was reduced to rubble and ashes. Civilians were murdered with guns and tanks. Thousands of civilians were massacred in Sur, Cizre, Nusaybin. Some of them were in Burned alive in the basement. Such cruelty is experienced. In this country, of course, we still have hope. In human history, empires, tyranns, etc. have never been seen Dictators last indefinitely. This will come to an end. We are convinced that all these human rights violations by this government will not go unpunished, that they will pay a bill for them. I don’t think this Brutality will go unpunished. In any case, something will happen so that they will be removed from power by the government and taken to court. They will pay for the crimes they committed. They will be held accountable.
[i] Okay. Arikan has such a plan. Turkey is in a crisis. So that Erdogan can get out of this crisis, he is angry the people against the USA and calls for a boycott of US products. However, even those are Shirts he wears Made by USA. How would you be this in Connection to the crisis?
[r] The result of the crisis is exactly what we talked about. If you have spent years Participation in the national profit for the wage workers, farmers and Small businesses are increasingly being cut and pass them on to your people who, like you, are proven crooks who hang around you, if you throw the state lands after the big developers, of course it will end limit. To this day it receives external support with funds from Qatar and Saudi Arabia. This only delayed the crisis. This was the reason for the early elections. The signals of the crisis could recently be heard from afar. The reason why they decided on early voting a year or 19 months earlier than they were due, is that they feared: We would lose power and become incapable of governing. If the early elections had not taken place, the crisis would have escalated beforehand. The elections postponed that for a while. In the end, we all know that the General Staff has been determined by the Pentagon for 70 years. 36,000 m² of land is in the hands of the American bases. I served in this country. There was a depot made of large stones. There was no window anywhere. It only had one Door, an iron door. 30 or 40 civilian workers worked there. I asked them if they had ever seen the inside of the depot and if they knew what was inside. Many of them had been working there for 10 or 15 years. They replied that they were not allowed to enter the area. Only officers of the First Army come there Accompanied by soldiers from the US Army. The door opens, you look in and no one else comes in or looks. What is that? This is a nuclear depot Explosives [nuclear weapons]. So American weapons, nuclear weapons, were deposited in various places in your country. The axis shift or things like that are just stories about the feelings within the country To heat up chauvinists and racists. There is no displacement of the axis. It’s not that easy. If you’ve had one for 70 years You have a master and servant relationship, you always only did what your master commanded you, can’t you change your master today? They don’t allow that so easily. If there is one like that There should be a desire, well. How do you sometimes say: Turkey did not invade Syria, Syria is now in Turkey. The Syrian jihadists, the remaining IS groups in Syria Everyone is currently in Turkey and can no longer cope. I got one yesterday Watched the show. He wrote a book, “IS and its network”. That happened with Medya Sent. It was a young one Man, he said: “If they… Don’t attack Türkiye when they opened the Incirlik base to the Coalition, they damaged her Reputation on the part of IS.” it’s because of the support they give at the grassroots level.” Many of them are taken care of in Turkey.
[i] That Erdogan is a dictator, a thief, a fundamentalist, we all agree on that. How can it be explained that a country like Germany, despite all this? State protocol lavishly received?
[r] The German state needs relationships with arms buyers and with the arms market. You see him as a customer. For the sale of the tanks and They cut corners on helicopters. The whole relationship is built on this business. The German state is one of the largest arms producers. In order to sell weapons and due to other reasons, the German state also knows that he is not trustworthy. Sometimes this led to problems, even crises. This is based on Reciprocity. Ultimately, the relationship that dominates here is economic interest. Tayyip and his ties to the gun lobby, the fact that he is seen as a good market.
[i] The first time you were with one Foreign language confronted at primary school age.
[r] Yes.
[i] With the second foreign language after retirement.
[r] Yes.
[i] How was your encounter with the German? Language? How did you feel about it?
[r] Well, it’s obvious: I’m going to a new country and there’s a new, different language. Of course this language […] Well clearly at middle school and high school I had English as a foreign language. If you don’t use the language, you forget it. When I finished high school, I was able to explain my request brokenly. When I stopped using it later, the language was forgotten. I am Kurdish and have 20, Lived in Istanbul for 30 years.
[i] Come to German please.
[r] I’ll tell it as an example. I didn’t speak Kurdish there like I did back in my village. So not in everyday life. When I visited my village after five years and wanted to speak Kurdish, I realized that I had forgotten many things. If you don’t use a language, you even forget your native language. In German I’m right in the middle, my Everyday life is influenced by the German language. I have a lot of dialogues.
[i] Where did you do your course when you came from?
[r] At […]
[i] When the job center sent you there.
[r] On Kortumstrasse, AFK or something like that. I was there at AFK. Afterwards I was on Hernerstrasse, […] what were they called again? In any case, I was there afterwards. I was with him on Kortumstrasse for six months. I attended the course on Hernerstrasse for nine months. The job center sent me there at the time.
[i] So you say a second one Foreign language from a certain point onwards Age is difficult
[i] too much
[r] too much
[i] difficult.
[i] What do you think about the future? What future plans do you have? Do you want to live here, or do you dream of returning to Turkey? You are currently working […].
[r] As long as nothing extraordinary happens, I want to stay here. So if I am faced with a reason to return, it can only be for my children. So serious problems for both of me Daughters, only then would I return. Otherwise my thought is to stay and live here.
[i] Let me ask another question, what is home to you?
[r] For me, home is not the place where I was born, but the place where I get my fill. Because this is the meaning of fatherland and homeland. We are among those who think, Wage workers don’t have a fatherland, but why do they have one? Workers no fatherland? If you think about it within capitalism, you come to this conclusion. We are people who you Put your heart and soul into a project so that one day you can use your homeland equally. In the phase when all means of production are common use, the fatherland is also common use. The environment will emerge in the country. Then the workers will have a homeland. But today, of course, he dies A person, which doesn’t have an inch of land to bury, so let’s say an inch Earth or 10 A person who does not own a square meter of land probably thinks that the homeland is mine. So there is no need for it to be displayed. It would be one thing to say that we will die for the country. Only a handful of people are the true owners of the land. Here is the confession of the slavish Submission to the bloodsucker…
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[i] [name] my friend. It was a very nice and entertaining interview. It was very clear and interesting.
[r] It was nice for me too.
[i] There are many more things to ask. But let’s stop here. It’s enough. Thank you for your time, Your precious time has been spared. Thank you for your valuable shared information with us. Thank you.
[r] Thank you very much. It was a very nice conversation for me too. The problems with which the humanity faces today through our own privacy, We tried to summarize as much as possible. Thank you. Thank you for giving me this given the opportunity.